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Sabrina's Griefbending:

A. Proven to work
1. Sense Grief and Magic, better than average
2. Shape and manipulate Grief
3. Intuitive in nature
4. Change Grief properties:
a. Basic (instant cast)
- Acoustics (e.g. Sonic shower, musical instruments)
- Density (e.g. Marbles, clouds)
- Hardness/softness
b. Witch-like (has a cast delay)
- Magnetism
- Corrosion
- Gravity
- Will it to become smaller/denser
- Transparency
- Energy (e.g. Fire, smoke, blaster/phaser shots)
- Chemical (e.g. Fire that doesn't burn through and is not extinguished by water)
- Material (e.g. Metal, water, plastic)
- Color
- Invisibility
- Purpose (e.g. Painkilling, magic amplifying, enchanting)
5. Create a Barrier
6. Sense the names of Witches, including unborn ones
7. Has a 100 meter range from Soul Gem
8.

B. Doesn't work
1. Analyze Soul Gems' components
2. Analyze Soul Gems and Grief Seeds in order to display their megucas' bodies
3. Make Grief effects permanent
4.

C. Ideas to test
1. Create Familiars
2. Retry the Soul Gem component analyzer, with the aid of the faux Infinity Gauntlet
3. Use the Enchanting Bracelet as an intermediary to make Grief stuff
4. Skyrim style enhancement
5. Make a railgun
6. Feed Grief to familiars and see what happens
7. Add "Sanity" and/or other properties to Grief and insert it into Grief Seed
8. Will Grief into existence
9. More Barrier shenanigans
10. Create a Kyubey detector
11. Create a Kyubey repellent
12. Create a Grief artifact that increases Grief construction speed and control
13. Use Grief to gain the status effect "Haste"
14. Make a modified replica of Ravenclaw's Diadem, without the Horcrux but with Grief knowledge
15. Make Grief glasses that prevent zoning out
16. Make a Grief alarm that indicates feasibility and possible negative side effects of Grief constructs
17. Make a Grief replica of Homura's shield, complete with Time-stop
18. Make Grief Cubes
19. Turn a Grief Seed into a Soul Gem
20. Create a Sabrina aura for IFF purposes
21. Debug Clear Seeds
22. Find ways to extend Grief control range
23. Find ways to improve enchantment
24. Explore the idea of altering Grief Seeds
25. Explore the limits of making Grief books
  • Can we access publicly available information in-universe that is unobtainable with metaknowledge? (This is "Grief Google".)
  • Can we access private, earth-based, non-magical knowledge? (This gives us full access into basically all aspects of communications, and can be leveraged into a quasi-legal identity and unlimited funds).
  • Can we access general magical knowledge? (At the very least, saves us time and lets us print Sayaka off a textbook).
  • Can we access specific magical knowledge, in particular pertaining to our own abilities or Oriko's condition? (Obvious utility).
  • Can we access future knowledge? ("Will this coin land heads or tails?")
26. Make Grief relays to extend range
27. Use Grief to create curses and enchantments on living things, such as Incubators
28. Know more about Grief trances
29.

D. Grief Artifacts
1. Painkiller ring
2. Magic amplifying stone
3. Sensor stone
4. Enchanting bracelet
5. Clear seed
6. Privacy bracelet
7. Combat harness
8. Mecha Gurren Zilla Lagann
9. Book of knowledge
10.

E. Proposed Grief Books
1. How do I Social: THE big book on Other People and you!
2. 60-minute Crash Course on Enchanting, and other helpful learning techniques on magic
3. Magical Chicken Soup for the Soul: A simple study on healing mangled spirits and finding ones' purpose in the universe
4. The Abridged and translated incubator treatise on Soul Gems and Grief seeds
5. Healing Magic for Beginning Magical Girls
6. An Analysis of Oriko's Malady
7. Your Magical Weapon and You
8. Story of my Life
9.

F. Sereg's Suggestions
- I agree that we need to try creating properties that don't exist like "attracts wood and only wood".

- I also agree that we need to try creating a clip/aerial with the property "expands our grief control radius"

- We should also try creating fictional materials like mithril and orichulcham as well as ones we've made up ourselves such as a bright red metal with a lower density than water

- We can also try making less consistent properties like "folds as easily as paper when touched by human hands but is as hard as vanadium to anything else" or even "feels like a fluffy pillow to everyone we regard as friends and red-hot iron to anyone we regards as enemies".

- Then we can try things like relativity-ignoring warp-drives.

- We can also try the property "attracts grief" and see if we can make that property strong enough to pull grief into our range.

- Then we can try "produces energy in violation of the laws of thermodynamics more efficiently than a grief seed"

- We can also try the property "converts other grief into hope (or any other emotion we specify)"

- We should also see if we can make duplicates of ourselves. If we armour ourselves up, we should feel like grief too. It should be useful even without the ability to go far from each other.

- Then the property of "acts as a router for telepathy that can be used as an alternative to Kyuubey". No more danger from telepathic conversations if this is successful.

- Also, an "incubator detector". That'll be useful.

- For a bigger project, something that will take a while t develop and will be dangerous, but could have high payoff if successful: Develop a kind of "brain-leech thing" designed to attach to an incubator body whereupon it immediately severs the incubator body from the hive mind and gives us absolute control of said incubator body while retaining all knowledge owned by said incubator. We will then have access to a lot more useful information among other things.

- Finally, and most significant to our current discussion. See if we can create books containing information we don't know. Test it with something easy to find out afterwards. (Has the property of "contains information on the colour of the car parked in the next driveway" or something) Then we can attempt to discover Homura's loop where Kyousuke get a crush on her (we want to know and it's been indicated that it might be discoverable, but not through her), our origins, incubator and magical girl demographics, incubator technology, how to get grief to do the things we want it to do, what the feathers are etc.

Construct that stops us from trancing, one that speeds up our construction, one that warns us about how successful the next construct we want to make will be, one that allows us to make several constructs simultaneously, one that ups the power of all our constructs and one that will help deal with other meguca freaking out from all the witchstuff we'll now be constantly wearing.

Make a grief device that reverts souls to their healthy state. Also, ask the book about the specifics of Oriko's condition and recommended treatment. If that doesn't work, try more mundane treatments and also get into contact with Euroguca to begin negotiations. Assuming that we have to return to enchantment, first create a device that let's us copy the skill of another individual to acquire Mami's enchantment experience. Also create a device that improves the efficiency of practice. Also, create grief device that improves our enchantment ability. Due to the problems with using this directly, use it to enchant anenchantment that does the same thing and use that to improve our enchantments.

Also, try making grief relays to extend our power. This might make the painblocker effectively permanent. Otherwise a range extender. Otherwise, a ring that grants our powers to the wearer. Oriko may be able to maintain it herself after that.

After dealing with Oriko,there's a lot we need to do which can have it's order and details altered a little, but generally, go Sasa hunting. To prep for this, create a grief device that blocks magical mental influence. We could also create a crystal ball/mirror that shows us what is happening elsewhere and a meguca detector that extends our detection range. Incubator and witch detectors would also help.

Then, using our various information gathering devices, try to assess what is going down in Asunaro and what we can use. Prep for their arrival or head there depending on what we learn.

Use what we discover to make dewitching progress and simultaneously, gather information on and begin prepping for Wally to try take her out before she enters the city.

This plan adjusts depending on circumstances and based on what we discover we can and can't do, but rough outline:

Grief up:

perception glasses

High speed grief construction bracelet

Multitasking glove

Amulet of construction power improvement

Broach of "friendly Sabrina" aura

Grief relays

Radar which pinpoints the locations of witches, meguca, Incubators, incubator-technology and high-risk potentials

Hairclip that allows us to think and not be overwhelmed while using our grief to act as and receive sensations from multiple bodies simultaneously.

Hat of magical and technological mental influence blocking

Floating buckler of automatic shielding

Ring of "griefbending" granting

teleportation shoes

timestop shield

Device that projects an intangible barrier that blocks all incubators and incubator technology (barring soul gems) from passing through

This lets us gain practically total control of the city in hours and means that there's basically no Incubator influence or witching out within it

Then make:

Microphone of mental messaging

Use this to send a message to every meguca on the planet simultaneously, informing us of who we are, that we want to help and to contact us.

We now have a planetwide meguca network.

Hack into every television channel, radio station and the internet and broadcast our intentions shattering the masquerade and reassuring all meguca.

Use our information granters to identify all planets being preyed on by Incubators and telepathically contact them.

Create grief hyperdrive space ship and travel to every such planet, bestowing our gifts upon them

Use our grief information granters to track down every Incubator body and capture them all.

Use grief to fry the part of their brain capable of understanding how to make witches

Dewitch every grief seed in the Universe


Terraform several planets to accommodate the increased Universal population

Welcome to an age of intergalactic cooperation

Anything else I missed?

Which ones among these do you want us to do first?
 
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One of the things I wanted to test was whether our control over grief was the same mechanism as control over our body. You know, same distance limitation, and grief trance (probably releasing control of our body) for complicated Grief manipulation. I guess we could get someone to disconnect us from our body but still be in range of our grief?
If that worked we might essentially become a sentient cloud of grief. Which would certainly be interesting, to say the least.
 
I'm 100% positive Sabrina works by considering grief an extension of her body. That's exactly how Witches work.
 
Guys, we already tried the grief laser. The laser "dissapated" at 100m, presumably because that was grief!light.

We have not tried the grief railgun though, but why would we want to? We already proved that physical effects done by grief to non-grief things persists (the rose bush). Why wouldn't that hold for momentum?
that was a "phaser" beam, so not a proper laser. an actual laser is invisible from the sides.
 
what about it? it's not something we're likely to have time to test in the session tomorrow, it's already about full.
 
To me, the best "bang for the buck" ideas I see are grief cubes (either through wriaths or directly) or feeding familiars grief to see if they can mature into witches.
This is because neither of those are especially time consuming, the cost of failure is low-ish (provided we take reasonable safety precautions, like having Homura with us), and the reward of success is huge.

In terms of long term projects, there is always enchantment and dewitching.

I'm 100% positive Sabrina works by considering grief an extension of her body. That's exactly how Witches work.

Something that would be fun to try is making a grief!body (complete with senses) and see if we can control and sense through that as well. Perhaps while even maintaining control of our "real" body simultaneously.
That seems to be a relatively low risk "toy" project, if we must have a "toy" project.
 
To me, the best "bang for the buck" ideas I see are grief cubes (either through wriaths or directly) or feeding familiars grief to see if they can mature into witches.
This is because neither of those are especially time consuming, the cost of failure is low-ish (provided we take reasonable safety precautions, like having Homura with us), and the reward of success is huge.

In terms of long term projects, there is always enchantment and dewitching.
If I remember right, Ugolino supports those ideas. And I think they have plenty of potential.
 
To me, the best "bang for the buck" ideas I see are grief cubes (either through wriaths or directly) or feeding familiars grief to see if they can mature into witches.
This is because neither of those are especially time consuming, the cost of failure is low-ish (provided we take reasonable safety precautions, like having Homura with us), and the reward of success is huge.
we can't do them directly because we don't have a blueprint. no one has a blueprint.
feeding familiars requires a familiar.

I suppose we could try the "can we make wraiths" thing though. and that fills up the itinerary for that session.


so we have: investigating trances, investigating grief info, investigating laser/range interaction, meta enhancers, and wraith forming. I don't think I missed anything there.
If someone who has a day-planner edit link would add this to tomorrow afternoon, that'd be great.
 
What are we? Chopped liver?

Well, obviously we would not want to use our own familiars for this, for two reasons.

1. We don't know if we can, or if we can, if it is safe
2. Our Witch is supposed to be WTF hilariously strong, not something we would want to see the light of day, EVER..

We should find a weaker witch's familiar to try this on.
 
"What are you doing."

"I'm trying to make self sustaining grief monsters that hunt people!"

"... So, familiars?"

"I'm not a witch!"

Actually, while we're in timestop, I want to test something. If our grief does count as an extension of our body, is just having some of our grief in contact with Homura enough to stay in timestop?
 
Well, obviously we would not want to use our own familiars for this, for two reasons.

1. We don't know if we can, or if we can, if it is safe
2. Our Witch is supposed to be WTF hilariously strong, not something we would want to see the light of day, EVER..

We should find a weaker witch's familiar to try this on.
We could either find a "wild" witch, or we could hatch a grief seed. I suggest the first one.
 
"What are you doing."

"I'm trying to make self sustaining grief monsters that hunt people!"

"... So, familiars?"

"I'm not a witch!"

Actually, while we're in timestop, I want to test something. If our grief does count as an extension of our body, is just having some of our grief in contact with Homura enough to stay in timestop?
Considering contact with the Soul Gem is not enought to keep somebody in Homu's time stop, I doubt contact with Grief will do.

2. Our Witch is supposed to be WTF hilariously strong, not something we would want to see the light of day, EVER..
Well, it's not our Witch's familiar, it's ours!

:p
 
Actually, while we're in timestop, I want to test something. If our grief does count as an extension of our body, is just having some of our grief in contact with Homura enough to stay in timestop?

Oh, right, remember what happened when we cleansed Ono in timestop? While we were "pulling" on the grief still in her Soul gem, she was pulled into time stop too.
 
Oh, right, remember what happened when we cleansed Ono in timestop? While we were "pulling" on the grief still in her Soul gem, she was pulled into time stop too.

That implies that our grief can be used as a medium to transfer movement from us to others once we're in timestop, which is circumstantial evidence that the reverse is also the case.
 
That's active Grief, though. I don't think that'd work with Grief we aren't currently using.

Define 'using'. It wasn't witchy grief, just regular grief in motion. Is our grief ring 'active' grief? In any case, we're unsure of the results and don't know what to expect. That's as good a reason as any to run a test and find out, especially since it would only take an instant of time in timestop.
 
My hypothesis regarding lasers is that we can't send any kind of sci-fi disintegration beam beyond our range (we've tested that before — it doesn't work because that beam would need to be made out of grief), but if we're deliberate about it, we can leverage grief's natural-light-emitting ability to make a real-science laser that goes beyond our range. Actually, didn't we make a laser pointer way back at the first science session? Did we do anything with that which would settle this question?

One of the things I wanted to test was whether our control over grief was the same mechanism as control over our body. You know, same distance limitation, and grief trance (probably releasing control of our body) for complicated Grief manipulation. I guess we could get someone to disconnect us from our body but still be in range of our grief?
More convenient methodology: Put down our soul gem. Walk 50 metres away. Then see how far we can send grief in the other direction.
 
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My hypothesis regarding lasers is that we can't send any kind of sci-fi disintegration beam beyond our range (we've tested that before — it doesn't work because that beam would need to be made out of grief),
pretty much.
but if we're deliberate about it, we can leverage grief's natural-light-emitting ability to make a real-science laser that goes beyond our range.
that's the idea.
Actually, didn't we make a laser pointer way back at the first science session? Did we do anything with that which would settle this question?
yes we did, and no, we didn't.
 
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