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LostDeviljho said:
something occurs to me:
with sereg gone, who's going to advocate science?
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It wouldn't be called the pro-science faction if it was just him. The rest, myself included, can continue advocating social-backed-by-slightly-more-science, and much less dogmatically than Sereg did.

LostDeviljho said:
well, I think they look fine in english, as long as they're used properly.
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I like 'em kept in translations, but not in stuff originally in English.
Slith10 said:
I feel it was a little extreme considering all the temp bans Ugolino has got away with.
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Firn's reasoning seems sound to me.
Ugolino said:
We've also got a few stray potentials that we never followed up on, never mind the other stuff we haven't gotten done yet. (telling Mami about the metaknowledge) and following up on the anomalies with our clear seeds.

Also, have a koko.
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Is good koko.
 
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actually, who's in charge of the day planner? tomorrow seems mostly empty, so we should be able to add a science slot in the afternoon.
 
o3o said:
Well, nuts. I rather liked Sereg, and found he contributed to the quest quite a bit. I'm more surprised he didn't get a temp ban first as a warning...
Huh.

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Soooo, shall we perform SCIENCE in his honor?:V
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Slith10 said:
I feel it was a little extreme considering all the temp bans Ugolino has got away with.
Seems more like a temp ban offence considering how Sereg hasn't really had many/any of them.
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Not a productive line of discussion. We don't advocate science in anyone's honor, we do it if and when we believe it will have the best results for the quest. Which, incidentally, is not now.

Firn has the right to run his thread the way he wants. If you disagree, take it to PMs instead of inciting the thread.

LostDeviljho said:
actually, who's in charge of the day planner? tomorrow seems mostly empty, so we should be able to add a science slot in the afternoon.
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Given what started this whole debacle, I'd highly recommend giving the science/social time management debate a rest until, at the very least, the next update.
 
LostDeviljho said:
actually, who's in charge of the day planner? tomorrow seems mostly empty, so we should be able to add a science slot in the afternoon.
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There's a few people with the edit link.

It's kind of useless to just slot in some 'science'. It's like planning to do 'stuff'. What sort of experiment/tinkering/fooling around with corrosive magic/fooling around with magic/etc. do you think we should attempt?
 
Well, I'm not really sure which side to pick on the subject of science or social, both are equally important, but in different ways. Social helps build networks and prevent grief spirals, but science allows us to grow stronger. Hmm…
 
EtchedSteel said:
I know you love your koko. You don't have to remind us of that. :D :V
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Why this. :confused:

Onmur said:
There's a few people with the edit link.

It's kind of useless to just slot in some 'science'. It's like planning to do 'stuff'. What sort of experiment/tinkering/fooling around with corrosive magic/fooling around with magic/etc. do you think we should attempt?
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Also, we were planning to move some of it into timestop, which requires asking Homura- and it was suggested to do some enchantment there as well in future.
 
You know, Homura doesn't make for a bad "science partner". IF we are going to try making familiars or wraiths or other such risky things, doing it while she is there with us for backup is not a bad time to do so.
 
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Onmur said:
It's kind of useless to just slot in some 'science'. It's like planning to do 'stuff'. What sort of experiment/tinkering/fooling around with corrosive magic/fooling around with magic/etc. do you think we should attempt?
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If and when we have time for scientific testing, I'd like to explore the limitations on grief based knowledge.

That is to say, arranged from most likely to least likely:
• Can we access publicly available information in-universe that is unobtainable with metaknowledge? (This is "Grief Google".)
• Can we access private, earth-based, non-magical knowledge? (This gives us full access into basically all aspects of communications, and can be leveraged into a quasi-legal identity and unlimited funds).
• Can we access general magical knowledge? (At the very least, saves us time and lets us print Sayaka off a textbook).
• Can we access specific magical knowledge, in particular pertaining to our own abilities or Oriko's condition? (Obvious utility).
• Can we access future knowledge? ("Will this coin land heads or tails?")

I don't see any reasons that this couldn't be done in timestop, save for the obvious discomfort from witchy grief (which is something we'll need to overcome if any testing is going to be viable in timestop), and possible interactions between timestop and precognition (but I expect to hit our limit well before then).

Beyond that, I'd like to finally determine whether lasers let us overcome our range limit, and check the obvious interaction of a 'griefbending focus' meant to aid in using our primary power the same way the harness did with melee.
 
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Onmur said:
There's a few people with the edit link.

It's kind of useless to just slot in some 'science'. It's like planning to do 'stuff'. What sort of experiment/tinkering/fooling around with corrosive magic/fooling around with magic/etc. do you think we should attempt?
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well, we need to analyze how our grief trances work. where exactly the line between what does and doesn't cause them is, how the length of the trances vary, and so on. luckily, that's something we can do while we do other science, like the info book on oriko's condition, or analyzing clear seeds, because all it really needs is a stopwatch and some paper and a pencil.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Our grief is visible from outside our range, including colored or glowing grief. This implies an interaction with photons that persists beyond our range limit.
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hmmm. colored grief can be explained the same way colored anything can, but the glowing does raise questions.
on the other hand, all the other energy forms we've tried have vanished at the edge of our range...

yup, definitely going on the experiment list.
AuraTwilight said:
It could also just be magic being bullshit, though.
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which is why we apply science to find out.
 
so on the list for tomorrow is trance analysis, grief-info testing, and laser/range interaction testing. what else?
 
I've been gone for two days and Oriko got permabanned, a flame war almost broke out, Godwinson made a hat out of Kyubey and Oriko. Got. Banned. I'm never taking a vacation again.
 
Redshirt Army said:
Metainteractions - grief artifacts that improve our ability to control grief.
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do we have any actual experiments for that, or is it just "do this and see what happens"?

also, as it directly effects the way our powers behave it could contaminate all our other experiments, so if we do do it, it will be at the end of the agenda for that session.
 
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LostDeviljho said:
do we have any actual experiments for that, or is it just "do this and see what happens"?
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Well, first thing is to see if it works at all, via a generalized "grief bend do better" artifact, the equivalent of the melee harness. If it does, then the next tests are whether improved grief control lets us: a) create more potent grief control enhancers (almost certainly not, but we'd feel really stupid if we didn't try and it worked)
b) overcome/mitigate our zoning out issues
c) extend our range
 
When we go to Oriko's before making the Anti Pain Ring, make the Enchantment Bracelet, then make the Ring. Just to check if the Ring feels noticeable Witchy made that way (there's only a few motes of Witchy Grief in objects made this way, apparently); if it doesn't, then dismiss the Bracelet to see if the Anti Pain Ring persists.

If both things pan out, we can put to rest all the complaints about not being super OP, by making ourselves lots of enchantment objects.

And use Magic more amongst our Friends. :p
 
Guys, we already tried the grief laser. The laser "dissapated" at 100m, presumably because that was grief!light.

We have not tried the grief railgun though, but why would we want to? We already proved that physical effects done by grief to non-grief things persists (the rose bush). Why wouldn't that hold for momentum?
 
One of the things I wanted to test was whether our control over grief was the same mechanism as control over our body. You know, same distance limitation, and grief trance (probably releasing control of our body) for complicated Grief manipulation. I guess we could get someone to disconnect us from our body but still be in range of our grief?
 
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