Well, the bank was just an example. And you can totally be good without being self sacrificing.

Alright, then back to my original point: We really aren't hurting for money. Who cares? We have like, no financial obligations and abandoned warehouses are free.

That's not really the point. And being that wasteful with resources that could help a lot of people strikes me as asinine on several levels.
 
That's not really the point. And being that wasteful with resources that could help a lot of people strikes me as asinine on several levels.
Wasteful? Oh you mean giving money to Koko. Hm. Maybe not a good idea. A free meal is kind of a social thing. Just giving her money will look like a handout. Think she'd be mad.

But so far as helping other people- meh? I mean, we'll have some new arrivals sure, but we don't need much to help them out. They'll be fine.
 
Wasteful? Oh you mean giving money to Koko. Hm. Maybe not a good idea. A free meal is kind of a social thing. Just giving her money will look like a handout. Think she'd be mad.

But so far as helping other people- meh? I mean, we'll have some new arrivals sure, but we don't need much to help them out. They'll be fine.
I believe Muramasa is objecting to giving gold bars to Kyouko, not cash.
 
So does anyone in the hivemind know anything about money laundering?

"To clean-- No. Wash-- Here it is. To conceal the source of money, as by channeling it through an intermediary."
"That-- That doesn't really help us, Sabrina."
"I can't believe what a bunch of nerds we are. We're looking up money laundering in a dictionary."
 
While I agree with the majority of this, there's plenty of acts that can be Good without self-sacrificing.

Like cleansing Soul Gems for free.

I'm being incredibly generous with the term "self-sacrificing" here. That's taking our time to help someone else. It counts.

Can we please agree that we took the gold out of greed for shiny things, rather than out of belief in its potential usefulness?

I didn't. I took it out of spite. I took it because i didn't want the Yakuza to have it. It's usefulness is just a bonus.
 
Cue Gilgamesh ripping a hole in space and time in order to remind us that THOSE ITEMS ARE COPYRIGHTED, MONGREL!
Sabrina would have fun in a slugfest with ol' Gil. I mean, she could plausibly (and probably would, knowing you guys) pull out Unlimited Blade Works.
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[X] Ugolino
No. of votes: 4
Godwinson, MrLZRS, LendvaV, Dragontrapper

[x] Ugo
No. of votes: 1
AuraTwilight

[x] Sayaka
No. of votes: 1
UbeOne

[x]...I kind of just want to drop in, if that's okay. Head over if she gives you the go-ahead. And I was wondering...Would you be interested in a possible job? I could pay with more grief seeds later- and by making clear seeds right now or pure gold or cash if you want.
[x]If Kyoko asks for details, tell her it'd involve sparring with a new magical girl sometime, to help her get better. Just...showing them the ropes, you know? You're good with that spear of yours. Really good, and she could use your help.
-[x]If she presses even more, explain that she's one of your friends- Sayaka Miki. We think you two might get on like a house on fire.
-[x]And...we kind of just wanted to hang out for a bit. To talk.
-[x]Ask about Yuma.
[x]If she goes for it, thank her and talk to Mami on the way about school, how she's feeling/how things are going, and our plans for for the rest of today. Gently remind her about Oriko if it seems like her plans mean she won't get healed. That, or talk about the picnic.
[x]Check up on Kirika too on the way. Make sure she's okay.
No. of votes: 1
noahgab1133

[x]I just wanted to hang out and talk for a bit, if that's okay with you. I could give you and Yuma a cleanse and treat you both to some food. Head on over if she give the go-ahead.
-[x]Ask about Yuma.
[x]If she goes for it, thank her and talk to Mami on the way about school, how she's feeling/how things are going, and our plans for for the rest of today. Gently remind her about Oriko if it seems like her plans mean she won't get healed. That, or talk about the picnic.
[x]Check up on Kirika too on the way. Make sure she's okay.
No. of votes: 2
Agent Whiskers, Skelm

[X] I wanted to hang out... check up on Yuma. And you, too, it's been a while. Wanna go for a late lunch?
-[X] Actually, I've a project I've been working on. I want you to have a look at it, if that's OK?.
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Onmur

[x]...I kind of just want to drop in, if that's okay. Head over if she gives you the go-ahead. And I was wondering...Would you be interested in a possible job?
[x]If Kyoko asks for details, tell her it'd involve sparring with a new magical girl sometime to help her get better. Just...showing them the ropes, you know? You're good with that spear of yours. Really good, and she could probably use your help. I could pay with more grief seeds later- and by making clear seeds right now
-[x]If she presses even more, explain that she's one of your friends- Sayaka Miki. We think you two might get on like a house on fire.
-[x]And...we kind of just wanted to hang out for a bit. To talk.
-[x]Ask about Yuma.
[x]If she goes for it, thank her and talk to Mami on the way about school, how she's feeling/how things are going, and our plans for for the rest of today. Gently remind her about Oriko if it seems like her plans mean she won't get healed. That, or talk about the picnic.
[x]Check up on Kirika too on the way. Make sure she's okay.

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Ugolino
 
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We don't need to worry about money laundering until we (or an intermediary with a legal identity) start making purchases that interact with government reporting and regulations, which won't be for quite some time.

Also, I just looked up the gold prices in April 2011 and each of those half-kilo bars is worth about 25,000 USD.
@Firnagzen How many bars do we have? How much cash?
 
It didn't take litterally zero time. A trillionth of a second is still time.
I really don't think you want to base the moral worth of an action on the fact that it technically has a non-zero cost. If we find a way to reduce the time taken from 1 second to 1 millisecond, soul gem cleansing doesn't become 1000 times less good, it becomes better.
 
[X] To Kyouko:
-[X] I want to hang out a bit, check up on Yuma. And you. Talk about life, Grief, and...
-[X] There's a project I'm working on, trying to improve the lives of Magical Girls everywhere. I need to you to see it, it's kind of a 'see it to believe it' sort of thing; I think you'll find it very useful.
-[X] There's a catch, though, but I think you'll like it.
[X] To Mami:
-[X] Ask her what she's planning to do today, besides dinner with everybody.
-[X] Tell her you talked with Masami; she and her girlfriend agreed to look after Ono. So that's a weight off your mind.
-[X] Does she think Sayaka would be happy to finish healing Kyousuke on her own? It might be callous, but...
-[X] Tell her you want to get back to Oriko at some point today. Want to try and solve whatever is going on with her before Kirika goes crazy; Oriko being disconnected, she's basically a corpse right now, and Kirika's mental state realies pretty heaviliy on Oriko, so... You'll lose sleep tonight, if need be, but you don't want to put this off for long.
 
I really don't think you want to base the moral worth of an action on the fact that it technically has a non-zero cost. If we find a way to reduce the time taken from 1 second to 1 millisecond, soul gem cleansing doesn't become 1000 times less good, it becomes better.

The cost allows it to qualify as good. It does not quantify how good it is.
 
Can we please agree that we took the gold out of greed for shiny things, rather than out of belief in its potential usefulness?
Nah, we took it because shiny, because it wasn't like the Yakuza were going to make use of it, and because gold COULD be useful if we actually used it.

Like we're probably not going to do.

Also, Onmur, why did you gut the Kyoko section and present the healing idea to Mami in those terms? I'm not saying Sayaka shouldn't heal Kyousuke but this is a bad way to present it and a bad time to do it.

Also telling Mami "lol Kirika's going to go crazy" is not exactly tactful. At all.
 
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Sabrina would have fun in a slugfest with ol' Gil. I mean, she could plausibly (and probably would, knowing you guys) pull out Unlimited Blade Works.

Huh. So, uh, not to read too much into an authorial statement made to reply to a joke comment, but does that imply can we make a (100m range, probably) Gae Bolg? Or Fragarach? Basically various types of time/causality reversion?

Because if we really are pressed for time to solve all our issues, shouldn't we try conjuring one of the many, many artifacts that stop time?
 
I really want to get on repairing the Mami-Kyouko relationship, but I'm thinking, to put it this way, we need to build up our own social link with Kyouko until it's strong enough to 'bud', then we can push that development into fixing the Mami-Kyouko friendship.

Huh. So, uh, not to read too much into an authorial statement made to reply to a joke comment, but does that imply can we make a (100m range, probably) Gae Bolg? Or Fragarach? Basically various types of time/causality reversion?

Because if we really are pressed for time to solve all our issues, shouldn't we try conjuring one of the many, many artifacts that stop time?
These have come up now and then. Haven't been tried.
 
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