So uh why's building social links between Kyoko and everyone else being thrown under the bus again?

It's something we need to work on if we want any chance of it happening.
 
So uh why's building social links between Kyoko and everyone else being thrown under the bus again?

It's something we need to work on if we want any chance of it happening.
I feel it's far more difficult that it sounds like. Kyouko's very perceptive, the reason Sayaka and her get through with each other is how similarly blunt they are?

If we go blunt, we can just lose her on the Mami front; she won't react well to us trying to reconcile them.

If we're not blunt, she'll smell our bullshit from a mile away, I think.

We need to tackle this from another angle. Maybe we can ask her, later, if she'll listen to our woes for a bit. We know she cares about Mami. Maybe she would react better if we asked her for advice in dealing with Mami's issues?

That way we could frame this as Kyouko doing something to help Mami, but without needing to confront her just yet.
 
What would the most honest approach be, by chance?

We want to:
- Check on Kyouko.
- Check on Yuma.
- Give them an Empty Seed.

Anything else?

We could work with the bare minimum, perhaps.

Actually, Homura warned against being dishonest with Kyouko at all...

[X] I wanted to hang out... check up on Yuma. And you, too, it's been a while. Wanna go for a late lunch?
-[X] Actually, I've a project I've been working on. I want you to have a look at it, if that's OK?.
-[] REST OF VOTE

We can talk to her about walpurgis and ask for her help.
 
I feel it's far more difficult that it sounds like. Kyouko's very perceptive, the reason Sayaka and her get through with each other is how similarly blunt they are?

If we go blunt, we can just lose her on the Mami front; she won't react well to us trying to reconcile them.

If we're not blunt, she'll smell our bullshit from a mile away, I think.

We need to tackle this from another angle. Maybe we can ask her, later, if she'll listen to our woes for a bit. We know she cares about Mami. Maybe she would react better if we asked her for advice in dealing with Mami's issues?

That way we could frame this as Kyouko doing something to help Mami, but without needing to confront her just yet.
Ehhhh. That'd get a blow-up from her since she's in denial about still caring. And I think my vote is reasonably blunt.

We can talk to her about walpurgis and ask for her help.
Uhhhh. Not something we want to do spur of the moment- worst case scenario is she thinks we were just buttering her up as cannon fodder or something. I'm against this right now, or at all until we're on better terms. Tell her soon? Maybe. Active recruitment? Nope. She has Yuma too, so that might go over badly.
 
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That kind of depends on what we want to do here. I just wanted to hangout with Kyoko and check to see if she and Yuma were doing okay.



Are you talking about the picnic thing again?
How about actually setting the stage for her interacting with the others? ie: give her a reason to CARE and maybe eventually reconcile with Mami or at least drop in. Checking in is definitely PART of the reason but it isn't our only one.

Also payment is a better excuse to cleanse her and give her seeds than more charity. Better all around.

Yes. We keep throwing away chances to do something about Kyouko and this is less justifiable.

Also bleh I think the objection is silly but I took out the gold bar line. What's the point of hanging onto the gold if we're never going to use it to actually do good?
 
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Yes. We keep throwing away chances to do something about Kyouko and this is less justifiable.

Because it wasn't a good idea. And Homura thought so as well. If you guys are so concerned about Kyoko, then why have we only visited her like twice before?

If it was just Sayaka and Kyoko, I wouldn't mind it so much. But there's the problem of dealing with Mami as well.
 
Because it wasn't a good idea. And Homura thought so as well. If you guys are so concerned about Kyoko, then why have we only visited her like twice before?

If it was just Sayaka and Kyoko, I wouldn't mind it so much. But there's the problem of dealing with Mami as well.
We still did absolutely nothing to build that bridge and now given a chance we're doing nothing but small talk?

Because we've been busy. I want to make up for lost time.

Mami tutors Sayaka, we have her drop in on Kyoko once or twice. This is just seeing if Kyoko'd be receptive to the idea anyway.
 
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We still did absolutely nothing to build that bridge and now given a chance we're doing nothing but small talk?

Because we've been busy. I want to make up for lost time.

Mami tutors Sayaka, we have her drop in on Kyoko once or twice. This is just seeing if Kyoko'd be receptive to the idea anyway.

Ughh, you're still not getting it. And I seem to be really,really terrible at explaining it.

I'm just going to have to hope that you guys can actually handle this in a delicate manner, that I'm just being drama queen about this, and that our social-fu isn't actually all that terrible.
 
Ughh, you're still not getting it. And I seem to be really,really terrible at explaining it.

I'm just going to have to hope that you guys can actually handle this in a delicate manner, that I'm just being drama queen about this, and that our social-fu isn't actually all that terrible.
I think I get it- fears of undermining Mami's role as mentor by having side sessions with Kyoko. I also disagree emphatically. Bringing Sayaka to Kasamino once or twice for sparring and social won't change that Mami'll still be her main mentor.

Yes, not really (though I think you're misinterpreting things a bit), and yes respectively. We can do this.
 
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Please list the ways in order to acquire funds in good conscience. Just going to point out, we dont have that many gold bars and they dont just grow on trees.

Kyouko could probably use some cash. No one needs a gold bar. But it can be used to provide for many more then just one person. Im saying dont wastefully use them like that.
I mean, in good conscience? We could heist a large bank. They have insurance. Money is far from our biggest problem right now.
 
While Mami seems to be really depressed about her estrangement with Kyoko, I also kind of got the impression that she was also pretty ticked off at her as well. Which isn't that surprising. From her perspective, It would kind of look like Kyoko had betrayed everything that they stood for and then proceeded to abandon her.

Also, are we going to ask Yuma if she found out what a tsundere is?:p
 
Insurance employers are people too

EDIT: Basically, there's a difference between plundering the ill-gotten gains of criminals who are using it to support their reign of terror and stealing just because those we're stealing from can get it back relatively easily.
 
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Okay, so, having barely skimmed the argument, I see that there's some talk of putting some things off to help Oriko? If that's the case, I'd take a middle ground on that. Tonight:
>We don't need to check up too closely on Ono tonight- just remind Hiriko and Masami to check on her.
>We need to tutor Sayaka. She's not got the best survival instincts.
>Koko? Is a tossup. We're not on a time limit with her really, but we should maintain some contact.

With that taken care of, I say we spend the rest of our time today and tonight trying to help Oriko. We can offer to have Homura come (she won't want to be pleasant though) and we can definitely have Mami come. Sayaka will be awkward. We don't need that headache tonight.

Insurance employers are people too
Eh. They'll live. I mean, again, instead of stealing money we can most likely steal whatever we were going to buy. Funds are not even on the list of shit for us to worry about right now, anyway. If we need money, I'm sure we can come up with a better idea of where to get it illegally. Chaotic good is the best good!
 
While Mami seems to be really depressed about her estrangement with Kyoko, I also kind of got the impression that she was also pretty ticked off at her as well. Which isn't that surprising. From her perspective, It would kind of look like Kyoko had betrayed everything that they stood for and then proceeded to abandon her.

Also, are we going to ask Yuma if she found out what a tsundere is?:p
We know she did. :V

Mami was putting on an act mostly- less angry and more feeling abandoned, but she DEFINITELY knows that Kyoko'd snapped and why. In this timeline, with us letting her know Kyoko's still doing good things for, say, Yuma...
 
Okay, so, having barely skimmed the argument, I see that there's some talk of putting some things off to help Oriko? If that's the case, I'd take a middle ground on that. Tonight:
>We don't need to check up too closely on Ono tonight- just remind Hiriko and Masami to check on her.
>We need to tutor Sayaka. She's not got the best survival instincts.
>Koko? Is a tossup. We're not on a time limit with her really, but we should maintain some contact.

With that taken care of, I say we spend the rest of our time today and tonight trying to help Oriko. We can offer to have Homura come (she won't want to be pleasant though) and we can definitely have Mami come. Sayaka will be awkward. We don't need that headache tonight.

I can agree with this generally. I do think we need to have worked on a solution by the time we get back to Kirika though.


Eh. They'll live. I mean, again, instead of stealing money we can most likely steal whatever we were going to buy. Funds are not even on the list of shit for us to worry about right now, anyway. If we need money, I'm sure we can come up with a better idea of where to get it illegally. Chaotic good is the best good!

That's Chaotic Neutral at best. An act is never Good if it isn't self-sacrificing. Ever. People being wealthy does not make them deserving of the stress of having been stolen from. And stealing the goods directly is worse. As the shopkeepers are likely less wealthy than the insurance brokers and we're affecting their supply, which means they have to raise prices, which punishes everyone.
 
That's Chaotic Neutral at best. An act is never Good if it isn't self-sacrificing. Ever. People being wealthy does not make them deserving of the stress of having been stolen from. And stealing the goods directly is worse. As the shopkeepers are likely less wealthy than the insurance brokers and we're affecting their supply, which means they have to raise prices, which punishes everyone.
While I agree with the majority of this, there's plenty of acts that can be Good without self-sacrificing.

Like cleansing Soul Gems for free.
 
Probably late; but the gold bars, as they are, are basically shiny yellow paperweights. Oriko might have a contact in commodities who can assist in liquidating them, but teenagers tossing around gold bars is the sort of thing that'll raise questions. Also wouldn't be surprised if the yaks are keeping an eye out to see if any of their loot pops up.

Well, i suppose it'd be easy enough to whip up some kind of disguise to dump them under. Or maybe take up sculpture, I dunno. Either way, if you want to use them as a wealth source, you're going to want to cash them out first.
 
I can understand the argument that Kyouko and Yuma are worth far more then a few gold bars. Thats an excellent emotional argument.

Where I balk at is when we can use a single gold bar to help Kyouko and Yuma and dozens, perhaps hundreds of magical girls if we tried to use our finances intelligently.

And Im just not seeing that here.
 
I can understand the argument that Kyouko and Yuma are worth far more then a few gold bars. Thats an excellent emotional argument.

Where I balk at is when we can use a single gold bar to help Kyouko and Yuma and dozens, perhaps hundreds of magical girls if we tried to use our finances intelligently.

And Im just not seeing that here.
We can always get more if we get creative, and we're not actually doing anything with the gold bars right now or for the foreseeable future. So yeah, rather make a less than completely efficient use of a gold bar than none.
 
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