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Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Edited the vote a little. I wanted to cut down on the mentions of grief to cut down on the implications that we don't need looking out for and to frame it as a more conventional problem like work-related stress. Feels like it's less likely to offend anybody.
FlatlineAskari
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Also, Gadjo's take on the property/buy/rent/yes/no/now/later/whatever issue isn't actually making any progress - none of the work is done, it's all still in our hands. Our time is at a premium, we lack expertise, we have no identity or legal standing. Rather than working outside our competencies - delegate. Make some small facet of this problem someone else's.
Gadjo
Doka
We don't know who we'll be housing or if they'll agree to be housed by us. For now, we can just rent an hotel with our giant pile of money.
I don't think we took that much money.
Muramasa
Best Girl
[X] Gadjo
Since we don't know what we're going to have, it's extremely premature to be buying property. If we need to we can make arrangements on the spot.
If we get a ton of magical girls, not everyone that comes is going to have the same financial difficulties, and with the clear seeds not everyone is going to stay.
Since we don't know what we're going to have, it's extremely premature to be buying property. If we need to we can make arrangements on the spot.
If we get a ton of magical girls, not everyone that comes is going to have the same financial difficulties, and with the clear seeds not everyone is going to stay.
Torgamous
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Or we could not spend any money at all! Mitakihara has lots of abandoned industrial stuff, there's got to be an abandoned residential building somewhere.
And, really, "it might not be useful" isn't a good reason not to ask Madoka to do something with a clear potential use. It's at least half for her benefit, giving her a task that's more solid than a lukewarm "keep everyone happy".
AuraTwilight
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Sereg said:
Defying the natural order literally has nothing to do with cosmic horror.
Re:The joke and it being abusive/gaslighting: Overreactive, I know, but I was looking at it from Homura's perspective, who had a complete fucking post-traumatic breakdown over having lunch with Madoka beyond her comfort zones, and who puts up her stoic facade as a coping mechanism.
Mocking it and teasing at it's small fractures does a lot more damage than it would a normal person, especially infront of the people she wants to put a front onto. It's one thing if we rib her in private, but if we poke at her timid allowances of openness, it'll betray her sense that she can share secrets with us, because we'll break them if we think they're not a big deal.
"Abusive gaslighting" was my overreaction, sorry, and Sabrina's intentions are innocent, but I've been in Homura's shoes before and in my context it WAS gaslighting. It's sort of a trigger.
Imrix
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That's actually part of why I want to get moving on this early. There's value in presenting the arrangement to incoming meguca as a fait accompli rather than a decision they make with us.
Meanwhile, I feel like you're giving this too much somber gravity. I can't shake the feeling that injecting that much... Fervency? Into the conversation will only harden her opinion that clearly she Needs To Help because we're Lost And Confused.
Speaking as somebody who's moved house a few times and stayed at hotels, making anything but the most threadbare arrangements on the spot is not very practical. It pays to set this sort of thing up in advance.
Plus, I'm not voting to buy property right now. I'm voting to see who we can talk to about buying property. I am voting to open up the discussion with other characters (and let Madoka feel involved and helpful at the same time), not full tilt let's do this now now now.
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Gadjo
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Madoka will always feel that she needs to help. It's who she is. If she can't help she'll contract to be part of the group.
We can steal literally as much more as we want whenever we want to.
Torgamous
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Arrangements on the spot? With who? Do we know someone who's looking to sell a defunct apartment? Large-scale residential buildings aren't exactly sold on Craigslist.
I'm with you on not buying anything, but looking for stuff now is really, really not a bad idea. The vote to start looking is still like five steps away from an actual purchase.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Which is why I want to give her concrete things she can help out with, rather than pouring our heart out about how we need her to help keep us sane.
Madoka will always want to help, yeah, but there's a difference between "Here is a thing I can do for them," and "the poor girl is cracking at the edges, it's time for desperate measures!"
Yes, I am deliberately being a little light-hearted about this, because I feel that presentation is one that Madoka will feel more able and willing to tackle as she is, without needing the power boost of a contract to help her clearly-struggling friends.
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Gadjo
Doka
I'm asking her to help with group therapy, you're asking her to help with random real estate that she's smart enough to know isn't the root of the problem.
Seriously, we can just use an abandoned warehouse, buy some mattresses, boom. Cheap hotel. Or we can just buy some hotel rooms. We're not playing monopoly, man. Screw the real estate venture.
Imrix
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Actually, I'm asking her to help with both, and tying the real estate venture into a major part of the things that are troubling us. "Here is the weight on our shoulders, here is a piece of it you can take." Heck, I just edited the plan to make that even more explicit.
We probably could just find an abandoned warehouse, yeah! It'd be threadbare, but it might work. But Madoka can't help with that, and Junko can probably get us something better anyway.
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Yeah, the joke was me being silly because that vote was never AT ALL meant to be used as-is.
Which is what I did. I was referring to writing worthwhile votes, rather than just chucking ideas out.
As the writer of said joke, I never intended it to see the light of canon. That people used my vote word for word is deeply depressing, as it was only intended to get the basic idea out there.
Being the person who wrote that... shit, man, you've seen how I react in comments in A Curse Between Us. I'm the last person to suggest actually saying that sort of shit to Homura. That people took it and went with it is... less than optimal, shall we say.
UbeOne
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Borrow Oriko's warehouse?
You're right. Teasing Homura might not be a good idea right now. Changing vote:
[X] Hm. Distance they've come from, I don't expect they'll want to turn around. And besides that...
[X] With my power, it won't be an issue to support a large number of girls. Between clear seeds and manual cleansing, we can keep them from being low on resources.
[X] We do have large sums of cash, I'm sure we could rent out a penthouse for them to live in for the time being.
[X] We can probably handle it, Sayaka, if we're careful. On that note: never talk to an unfamiliar magical girl without backup. You don't know what they can do or what they intend to do.
[X] Telepathy: you can always call us.
[X]Actually, Madoka...Can I talk to you for a minute? Take Madoka aside.
-[X]Madoka...you're probably one of the most important people here, honestly. And I...I want to ask for your help with something.
--[X]For magical girls, the most important thing...is really to be able to talk about their problems. To have someone they trust, who can keep their head on straight. That...goes for me too. There are always plenty of girls to fight,but what we really need is a good person who cares about us.
-[X]Madoka, you're a good person, and a good friend. Sayaka, Homura, Mami, me...We need someone like you. To keep our heads on straight, because sometimes it's easy to lose perspective...to think that there isn't anything we can do, or that there aren't people who care about us. And you care, a lot.
-[x]And...sometimes, I'm just not sure what to do. How to get through to people. There's one girl, I kind of messed up with her and now she doesn't really want to listen to me at all, and I'm worried for her. Can I ask for your advice with things like that, Madoka? I trust your judgement when it comes to things like that. More than I do my own, honestly.
[X]Just... there is so much more that we need other than a contract. Please, please don't make a deal with that... thing, okay?
You're right. Teasing Homura might not be a good idea right now. Changing vote:
[X] Hm. Distance they've come from, I don't expect they'll want to turn around. And besides that...
[X] With my power, it won't be an issue to support a large number of girls. Between clear seeds and manual cleansing, we can keep them from being low on resources.
[X] We do have large sums of cash, I'm sure we could rent out a penthouse for them to live in for the time being.
[X] We can probably handle it, Sayaka, if we're careful. On that note: never talk to an unfamiliar magical girl without backup. You don't know what they can do or what they intend to do.
[X] Telepathy: you can always call us.
[X]Actually, Madoka...Can I talk to you for a minute? Take Madoka aside.
-[X]Madoka...you're probably one of the most important people here, honestly. And I...I want to ask for your help with something.
--[X]For magical girls, the most important thing...is really to be able to talk about their problems. To have someone they trust, who can keep their head on straight. That...goes for me too. There are always plenty of girls to fight,but what we really need is a good person who cares about us.
-[X]Madoka, you're a good person, and a good friend. Sayaka, Homura, Mami, me...We need someone like you. To keep our heads on straight, because sometimes it's easy to lose perspective...to think that there isn't anything we can do, or that there aren't people who care about us. And you care, a lot.
-[x]And...sometimes, I'm just not sure what to do. How to get through to people. There's one girl, I kind of messed up with her and now she doesn't really want to listen to me at all, and I'm worried for her. Can I ask for your advice with things like that, Madoka? I trust your judgement when it comes to things like that. More than I do my own, honestly.
[X]Just... there is so much more that we need other than a contract. Please, please don't make a deal with that... thing, okay?
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Gadjo
Doka
It's just another headache we don't need though. We have so much more important things to do than, say, launder this money and shit. Homura won't know how. Why would she? I still don't think your vote gives her counselor role enough attention in favor of an annoying sideplot where we buy a house. Screw that. It's not only not necessary, it's boring.
And how would Madoka know how to talk to meguca that she knows absolutely nothing about and can't relate to? That too, is a bad use of time.
AuraTwilight
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[jk] Ask Hitomi if she can help us launder money.
Torgamous
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"Welcome to Mitakihara! Stay here, it doesn't have water or electricity or air conditioning or walls and it was literally the first empty building we found."
Having her talk to people we don't have the time to personally manage is a good idea, probably, but giving her that role with us kinda really diminishes Mami's role there, doesn't it?
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Flatly disagree. Frankly, I would cheerfully scrap everything else in that plan if I thought we didn't need it. From my perspective, getting started on some solid arrangements to host a large force of meguca is about the best thing we can do to make the world a better place in anything like a reasonable timeframe. That we can help make Madoka feel useful in the process makes it bar-nothing the most important part of the vote in my eyes.
I already removed the Homura teasing.
Agh. Goodnight folks.
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