Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
- Location
- Brazil
Good night, sleep well
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Gadjo
also going away for a few months... going to have like 500 pages to read when I get back
also going away for a few months... going to have like 500 pages to read when I get back
Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
- Location
- Brazil
[X] Gadjo
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
On the dealing with incoming magical girls
lets just take it as they come at first. Given the gold we stole I think we can afford to put one or two up in a hotel. Once we know we have a large inflow we can work on more elaborate solutions.... that and they must have their own cash as well...
[jk] begin plot to make Madoka PM of Japan and later head of UN.
lets just take it as they come at first. Given the gold we stole I think we can afford to put one or two up in a hotel. Once we know we have a large inflow we can work on more elaborate solutions.... that and they must have their own cash as well...
[jk] begin plot to make Madoka PM of Japan and later head of UN.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Gadjo
Rose Bush test proves that grief devices made to manipulate regular matter have permanent effects, so this is possible.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I just wanna point out to those voting for plans that lifted directly from my vote? I really did not intend for it to actually be the vote we went with. It's crappily assembled, included a tongue-in-cheek joke for the benefit of the thread, and the specific phrasing will probably do more harm than good. The only reason I proposed it was for someone who was better at writing votes for PMAS to take the core idea (give Madoka something useful to do that relies on her not being a magical girl) and make it into a good plan.
Gadjo
Doka
What? Madoka is Sayaka's best friend, and Homura loves her. She doesn't know Mami too well, but that doesn't mean she can't help.
Look, making the world a better place is all well and good, but it's all for naught if we don't save the few people we care deeply for. We aren't going to save the world in such sweeping ways over the course of the quest. We still need to deal with feathers first. Then we can play with saving the world.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
She doesn't know shit about Ono, though.
Refugees that are well-treated are less likely to become problems we have to personally deal with. Your penthouse rental is fine if there's really just a few, but I don't understand your insistence on being caught off-guard if we get too many for a couple rentals. Looking at real estate isn't even something that Sabrina will be doing in this plan, so it's not us that will be playing at saving the world, it's us letting Madoka play at saving the world.
Muramasa
Best Girl
In tds she didn't know much about Kyouko either but she helped her out pretty well too.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Was that filtered through giving someone else advice on how to handle Kyoko based on how that person described Kyoko?
Muramasa
Best Girl
I'll admit It's been awhile since I read tds.
edit: Nevermind. Answer is yes and I really need to reread tds again.
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- Location
- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
Why should he care about what some insane aliens think about ethics? Do you think we'd switch sides if he gave us a book talking about the ethical importance of avoiding direct falsehoods and extending the lifespan of the universe?
Criminy, there are plenty of perfectly reasonable human beings who have thoughtfully considered the matter and concluded that Kant can stick his categorical imperatives up his jumper.
Just want to point out that housing is not an urgent issue. We actually have an existing option on where to house them. Oriko's (big-ass) house.
I mean, how big is Oriko's mansion? If we repurpose most of the superflous rooms, we can easily house a dozen girls, two dozen or even three if they're willing to bunk with other girls.
If we get an excess of up to a dozen, then we can rent them a few dorm rooms for a few months using the Yakuza fund.
If it's reaching fifty girls or so... we're still not in deep trouble. Like what was said earlier, we still haveWarehouse-kun the warehouse Oriko rented out. Would need some renovation to make it habitable, and it's not the most pleasant of accommodations, but it beats living in the streets for girls without the means to get their own housing.
And if we really want to get Madoka involved in this? Well, she could help pick out the furniture to buy. And unlike real estate, buying out a few dozen beds won't ring any alarm bells to any authorities.
I mean, how big is Oriko's mansion? If we repurpose most of the superflous rooms, we can easily house a dozen girls, two dozen or even three if they're willing to bunk with other girls.
If we get an excess of up to a dozen, then we can rent them a few dorm rooms for a few months using the Yakuza fund.
If it's reaching fifty girls or so... we're still not in deep trouble. Like what was said earlier, we still have
And if we really want to get Madoka involved in this? Well, she could help pick out the furniture to buy. And unlike real estate, buying out a few dozen beds won't ring any alarm bells to any authorities.
CHAIRS FOR EVERYONE!
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'm not really feeling the votes, so I'm trying to craft one myself. Problem is I'm literally falling asleep.
[X] Turning 'them' away could come down to a continuous battle. You're expecting many desperate newcomers who won't take 'no' for an answer...
[X] Sigh.
[X] But if you're being entirely honest, you've been expecting this from the start. You'd like it if you could set up a meeting place of sorts for Magical Girls, somewhere close to Mitakihara, where you could reach out and lift the weight of Grief off their shoulders.
[X] It's not Grief cleansing that's the problem; you can support any amount of Magical Girls there. The problem is the people. Dangerous people. Problematic people.
[X] You're really hoping to change how things work someday; there's a distrust, a hostility between Magical Girls, that needs to... end. And you've got a part of the solution to that.
[X] It's just that everything's happening too fast.
[X] Apologize, you're ruining their lunch break, aren't you?
[X] Actually, you'd like to talk with Madoka for a moment.
-[X] Tell Madoka about Ono. How every meeting you had with her was... abrupt, how you had to practically stomp on Ono's feelings in order to protect her life, and she's... very much someone who'd rather risk life than ego... Now you've pretty much pissed her off to the point she wants nothing to do with you; you're even going to ask favors to other Magical Girls to see if you can find anybody who'll help Ono not get killed in her first days as a Magical Girl.
-[X] So you messed up, and it had nothing to do with having more or better magical powers, but more about how you choose to deal with somebody as a person.
-[X] You're not expecting miracles, but does she think you could make amends? You really want to make sure Ono doesn't end up killing herself, but you don't know how to do that from your position.
[X] Turning 'them' away could come down to a continuous battle. You're expecting many desperate newcomers who won't take 'no' for an answer...
[X] Sigh.
[X] But if you're being entirely honest, you've been expecting this from the start. You'd like it if you could set up a meeting place of sorts for Magical Girls, somewhere close to Mitakihara, where you could reach out and lift the weight of Grief off their shoulders.
[X] It's not Grief cleansing that's the problem; you can support any amount of Magical Girls there. The problem is the people. Dangerous people. Problematic people.
[X] You're really hoping to change how things work someday; there's a distrust, a hostility between Magical Girls, that needs to... end. And you've got a part of the solution to that.
[X] It's just that everything's happening too fast.
[X] Apologize, you're ruining their lunch break, aren't you?
[X] Actually, you'd like to talk with Madoka for a moment.
-[X] Tell Madoka about Ono. How every meeting you had with her was... abrupt, how you had to practically stomp on Ono's feelings in order to protect her life, and she's... very much someone who'd rather risk life than ego... Now you've pretty much pissed her off to the point she wants nothing to do with you; you're even going to ask favors to other Magical Girls to see if you can find anybody who'll help Ono not get killed in her first days as a Magical Girl.
-[X] So you messed up, and it had nothing to do with having more or better magical powers, but more about how you choose to deal with somebody as a person.
-[X] You're not expecting miracles, but does she think you could make amends? You really want to make sure Ono doesn't end up killing herself, but you don't know how to do that from your position.
- Location
- Canada
Turns into the Glass witch, we recruited her, she hates us after we invaded her house a bit ago?
Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
- Location
- Brazil
Meguca, that is harsh with us, and for some reason is wasting magic like crazy. She trusts Kyubey more than us, and thinks we are evil
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
- Location
- New York
Obviously no entity with its own entrenched moral system would be swayed by a single book giving a counter argument. Self interest tends to be resistant to any argument. I was making a larger point. I've always been peeved that Kyubey finds human devotion to not using other rational beings as tools for a higher end so incomprehensible when even us puny humans have come up with highly cogent, logical and non-emotionally based systems of deontological ethics for centuries. Granted, Kyubey spends most of his time talking to young people who probably tend not to be skilled in philosophical debate. Kyubey's utter failure to even comprehend a non-utilitarian viewpoint shows that the Incubators are intellectually limited, whether due to their age as a species or due to their lack of emotion, and that they underestimate humans. As for this quest, I do doubt that a moral debate with Kyubey would get us anywhere.
P.S
Avoiding falsehoods (lying is the prime example of a violation of the categorical imperative) and extending the lifespan of the universe (as long as all the maxims acted upon were ok) are both things that Kantian morality would approve of.
- Location
- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
In that case, what larger point? The only point I can think of that your comment would make is that some humans would disagree with how Kyubey acts. Which is pretty dang established by this point.
Or, wait, is that what you were going for? Because, eh, like I said enough perfectly normal humans firmly hold irreconcilable moral viewpoints that it's not exactly a surprise an alien would too.
- Location
- South Africa
Because he almost certainly is already an expert on Kantian ethics and doesn't care. He has his own system that he thinks is better and considers humans insane.
There are ways around that.
Do you really think that there are hotels that don't require booking to rent out the entire place.
Right, but my point is that even if the entire non-human population of the Universe viewed us as elcritch abominations, that doesn't stp it from being subjective opinion rather than objective fact.
Again, I really disagree with this.
I am a deontologist and can tell you that people are not convinced simply by understanding it. The Incubators are basically a hive mind who almost certainly evolved in a situation where there was effectively a single sapient individual on the whole planet. Their very DNA would object to treating others as equals.