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Redshirt Army said:
I'm highly unsure about whether we can duplicate Homura's brand of intuitive physics timestop (where light keeps going and you can breathe) with griefhax. But I also see no reason for Homura to be unable to eventually enchant items to hold a semblance of her magic, which would include potential timestop bracelets.
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Ehhhhhhhh from what little we see in canon of enchantment, it has little to do with that meguca's power. I mean, when else do we see Mami make a barrier like the bat could?
 
Part 2 of the first draft of defen's request is done. Summarized my view of the quest's situation and focuses- writing the requested Plan To Fix Everything next, followed by some ramblings and a character description of Sabrina.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Yeah, but that's PMMM meta, not quest meta. Sabrina knows the events of the anime, but doesn't know that she's a quest protagonist.
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Quest meta is admissible, and has been used in the past as basis for votes and stuff. And remember, back in Sendai, Sabrina saw something she was physically incapable of witnessing because one of the posters found a hidden easter egg Firn left in the post, among other things.
 
aeqnai said:
Quest meta is admissible, and has been used in the past as basis for votes and stuff. And remember, back in Sendai, Sabrina saw something she was physically incapable of witnessing because one of the posters found a hidden easter egg Firn left in the post, among other things.
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Wonder if we can speak to Sabrina directly. A la Asuka in AsukaQuest.

How weird would be that?
 
My "beef" is that Ugo hates pretty much any concrete suggestion for increasing our powers. It's not even a rational thing; multiple people have noted that he is against literally anything involving grief powers. Indeed, the only thing he has stated he will support is the ever vague "dewitching", something we can't even define beyond "Turn Grief Seed to Soul Gem". He has no clue what this will consist of, but happily shouts down anything that he doesn't believe will further this goal, even if it would help with something else, such as using grief constructs to help understand what the heck is going on with Oriko's soul!

Indeed, when we got a sensor past his hatred of all things griefmagic, he somehow convinces everybody that it will be talking, not magic, that will prevent her soul from being twisted in non-euclidean directions! And then when we get to the magic, we spend all of our alotted time working on an impromptu enchanting lesson instead of bringing our most versatile power to bear on the issue at hand because he's... he's a science hating Witchstuff-phobic person who sucks the fun out of the quest in favor of more seriousness and social links, who's crippling our ability to do anything useful because of his demand that we focus on the "important things", despite us not even being able to deal with our current problems, because he thinks that talking to people is a legitimate substitute for actually working on fixing non-social problems! And now Oriko is going to either be unconscious or in extreme pain while we go to reassure everybody that we still love them because we wasted all of our time trying to do things his way, with a slight spot at the end where we actually did something new which prompted an epiphany that we now can't act on because we're out of time!

I'm not just salty! I don't just have a beef! My salt has ignited, forming an incredible tower of Blue and Green rageflames on which a herd of heifers roast, the sight of their flailing corpses and the sound of their agonized lowings sufficiently grotesque to reach up to the very eyes and ears of the great Firn himself, who will reach down and smite somebody, most likely me, for the insolence of daring to express the depths of my frustration in an admittedly incredibly impolite and provacative way! And that isn't mocking sarcasm!

No, really, it isn't.
 
If Oriko chooses to take a nap, should we tell Kirika about how her power did help with the pain?

We could leave Kirika with some homework: Find a way to crystalize her magic into a 'permanent' form, and since it seems it's Oriko's powers that are causing trouble, try and find a way to cancel Oriko's magical powers altogether.
 
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Ugolino said:
Because PMAS's true win (or at least not-lose) condition is based on Social. The cast, and their issues. At it's core? PMAS isn't about us, it's about them. Sabrina's character development is tangential to theirs, as much as she can be said to have character development. We could do all the SCIENCE in the world and it wouldn't make a difference if Mami died, Sayaka witched, Madoka wishes, and Homura loops.
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I suppose I ultimately disagree with you about the goal of the quest. In my opinion, if Mami died, Sayaka witched, Madoka wished, and Homura looped, that would be unfortunate, but it would not be a failure state. Just because we know their story does not make them more important than any other group of magical girls.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I suppose I ultimately disagree with you about the goal of the quest. In my opinion, if Mami died, Sayaka witched, Madoka wished, and Homura looped, that would be unfortunate, but it would not be a failure state. Just because we know their story does not make them more important than any other group of magical girls.
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Yeah, definitely not going to agree there. If everyone's dead, I'm voting to despair because...well, it's over. We could technically win but we'd have failed in our central goal of getting them a happy ending, completely and utterly.
 
UbeOne said:
I say we try all sorts of things. If one method fails, then at least we know one way that doesn't work. We will never know for sure until we try.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work." - Edison

Our magic is very flexible magic. It's just that many of the effects will ping as "Witch" to everyone else's senses.
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This is a great attitude to have. Just be sure not to take it too far. I'd hate for someone to die because we SCIENCE! too hard.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I suppose I ultimately disagree with you about the goal of the quest. In my opinion, if Mami died, Sayaka witched, Madoka wished, and Homura looped, that would be unfortunate, but it would not be a failure state. Just because we know their story does not make them more important than any other group of magical girls.
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If that came to pass, we might be screwed over as well.
My take would be developing a better relationship with Homura so that she doesn't resist what we do for no reason, so she becomes more stable, so that we can help her if she thinks she is making things worse and so that she might take us with her if it goes so badly that she loops.
(re: storage of ourselves in Homura's shield, potentially gem detached from our body.)
 
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Ugolino said:
The thing is we can't do Mami's particular ribbon magic or a REAL Rosso Phantasma. At best, we can do a superficially similar imitation. A pirated knockoff, so to speak, rather than a replication. Which becomes a problem when it's timestop you're trying to copy/knock off.
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I see, this is the only path. Our ability can never be like the originals, but there is no rule a copy cant beat the originals!

{EMIYA SYDROME INTENSIFIES}

Kyouko: Impossible, only i can do Rosso fantasma!
Sabrina:Indeed, but right now you are inside my barrier, and i can replicate every power inside here, of course they are merely imitations, knockoff copys, but! THEY LOOK AWESOME!
Mami: Oh Sabrina.
 
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Ugolino said:
Uhhh, yeah, everyone we cared about would be kind of dead.
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But everybody everybody else cared about wouldn't be. We still have an obligation to do the maximum amount of good things, and while we'd be incredibly depressed if they died it wouldn't mean that we'd just stop, lay down in the street, and witch out.

We're better than that.
 
chocolote12 said:
My "beef" is that Ugo hates pretty much any concrete suggestion for increasing our powers. It's not even a rational thing; multiple people have noted that he is against literally anything involving grief powers. Indeed, the only thing he has stated he will support is the ever vague "dewitching", something we can't even define beyond "Turn Grief Seed to Soul Gem". He has no clue what this will consist of, but happily shouts down anything that he doesn't believe will further this goal, even if it would help with something else, such as using grief constructs to help understand what the heck is going on with Oriko's soul!

Indeed, when we got a sensor past his hatred of all things griefmagic, he somehow convinces everybody that it will be talking, not magic, that will prevent her soul from being twisted in non-euclidean directions! And then when we get to the magic, we spend all of our alotted time working on an impromptu enchanting lesson instead of bringing our most versatile power to bear on the issue at hand because he's... he's a science hating Witchstuff-phobic person who sucks the fun out of the quest in favor of more seriousness and social links, who's crippling our ability to do anything useful because of his demand that we focus on the "important things", despite us not even being able to deal with our current problems, because he thinks that talking to people is a legitimate substitute for actually working on fixing non-social problems! And now Oriko is going to either be unconscious or in extreme pain while we go to reassure everybody that we still love them because we wasted all of our time trying to do things his way, with a slight spot at the end where we actually did something new which prompted an epiphany that we now can't act on because we're out of time!

I'm not just salty! I don't just have a beef! My salt has ignited, forming an incredible tower of Blue and Green rageflames on which a herd of heifers roast, the sight of their flailing corpses and the sound of their agonized lowings sufficiently grotesque to reach up to the very eyes and ears of the great Firn himself, who will reach down and smite somebody, most likely me, for the insolence of daring to express the depths of my frustration in an admittedly incredibly impolite and provacative way! And that isn't mocking sarcasm!

No, really, it isn't.
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You go calm down. This is not appropriate for in-thread and is a personal attack. that you hate him is not relevant to the thread.
 
It would be a tremendously selfish waste to give up on life and cease trying to make things better knowing we can do something about it just because Blonde Waifu and friends don't personally benefit. Literally fuck that.

We're not going to fail them regardless, but it would be an insult to their memory if we gave up because we did.

How would we face Mami, if our sense of justice dies with her?
How could we face Kyouko, if we proved our idealism to be as naive as she thought it was?
How could we face Homura, if we broke our promise to her, and stopped trying to save everyone?
How could we face Sayaka and Madoka, if we could save lives but chose not to?

How could we face Oriko, who said we could change the future?

And how could we face Nagisa, who could smile in the worst time of her life thanks to us, and we just suddenly disappeared, and she'll never know why?
What would she think would happen to us? What would she dream at night? And how can she say no, when a white rabbit promises her the answers to those questions?
 
@Ugolino
Enough. You're consistently strawmanning, jumping down people's throats, and screaming your own personal opinion as fact. You're generally fostering a hostile tone and contributing to the toxic atmosphere of the thread. I'm requesting a two week threadban for you.
 
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As unpleasant as it may sound, I like this thread better when Ugo is absent. It helps that it moves a bit slower too, so I have half a chance of keeping abreast of the discussion.
 
About the vote:
Muramasa said:
[x] "Sorry..."
[x] Ask Oriko if she can think of any other magical girl that could potentially help.
[x] Whichever choice Oriko makes, ask if she's sure. Abide by her decision. Bring her back to her room.
[x] If you disconnected Oriko:
-[x] Hug Kirika.
--[x] "I'm not giving up. We will fix this. I'll be back soon okay?"
[x] If Oriko chooses to endure:
-[x] "I'm not giving up. We will fix thix. I'll be back soon."

[x] Cleanse everyone before you go.
[x] Leave. Head to lunch.
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I'm concerned we might be leaving Kirika alone to despair over Oriko's apparent corpse. If we could do a bit more...? Like giving her ideas as to how she might apply her powers to help Oriko, or just get her trying to find a way to turn her AM pulses into a permanent form.

And could we add that 'Grief deletion' idea to the last line, in case the update goes that far, though I doubt it will.
 
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