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Firnagzen said:
@Ugolino
Enough. You're consistently strawmanning, jumping down people's throats, screaming your own personal opinion as fact, and generally contributing to the toxic atmosphere of the thread. I'm requesting a two week threadban for you.
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Hey sweet the arguing is over. Can we go light stuff on fire now? I always find that helps me feel better.
 
Imrix said:
As unpleasant as it may sound, I like this thread better when Ugo is absent. It helps that it moves a bit slower too, so I have half a chance of keeping abreast of the discussion.
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Again, noooot polite to say in thread. Keep disciplinary action out of the discussion please.

Anyway, I do agree in principle: we're not going to solve everything by screwing around with science. We haven't had much track record at all for getting things out of the more experimental magic and constructs.
 
Gadjo said:
Again, noooot polite to say in thread. Keep disciplinary action out of the discussion please.

Anyway, I do agree in principle: we're not going to solve everything by screwing around with science. We haven't had much track record at all for getting things out of the more experimental magic and constructs.
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Not...exactly true. We're just finding ways on how our magic works and how it doesn't. WE just need to think carefully on how to do so.
 
Gadjo said:
Well, do keep in mind- Meta is totally admissible here.
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And if this quest goals were anything on a lesser scale I'd probably agree with you. But as things stand, timestop isn't exactly the I win button it's cracked up to be. It's a tool as much as anything else. A powerful tool for sure but a tool none the less. On its own it doesn't solve any of our major problems.

Well think about it, what would timestop give Sabrina that we don't already have?

Combat hax? Sabrina has never had any real problems in combat and can theoretically detonate any soul gem in her range.

A further edge against witches? Sabrina on her own is tailor made to destroy anything comprised of grief.

Okay so what do we get?

We basically get time. Time to get to point A to point B without it costing us any from an outside perspective.

We get time to explore our powers or develop enchantment or what else.

By itself that also doesn't break the system. Developing and implementing something that does can't wholly rely on timestop. But it can help to an extent.
 
I understand now timestop would give the only thing we dont have time...But i think it will be difficult adquiring this kind of power, one question can two meguka work on the same project ? Like Mami working doing enchantment, and we doing griefworks on the same object ? Are we bringing Homura to train with us, maybe she could help with our experiments involving timestop ?
 
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Muramasa said:
And if this quest goals were anything on a lesser scale I'd probably agree with you. But as things stand, timestop isn't exactly the I win button it's cracked up to be. It's a tool as much as anything else. A powerful tool for sure but a tool none the less. On its own it doesn't solve any of our major problems.

Well think about it, what would timestop give Sabrina that we don't already have?

Combat hax? Sabrina has never had any real problems in combat and can theoretically detonate any soul gem in her range.

A further edge against witches? Sabrina on her own is tailor made to destroy anything comprised of grief.

Okay so what do we get?

We basically get time. Time to get to point A to point B without it costing us any from an outside perspective.

We get time to explore our powers or develop enchantment or what else.

By itself that also doesn't break the system. Developing and implementing something that does can't wholly rely on timestop. But it can help to an extent.
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Fair enough, but it still sounds like something that'll just slow down everything within 100m or put grief into time or some other horrible effect. Our magic non self-enhancing devices have had a bad track record.
 
Gadjo said:
Fair enough, but it still sounds like something that'll just slow down everything within 100m or put grief into time or some other horrible effect. Our magic non self-enhancing devices have had a bad track record.
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No kidding, but the worst thing that has happened with this is the Barrier incident, there is a very good reason that Barrier research has been put off limits for now.
 
Gadjo said:
Fair enough, but it still sounds like something that'll just slow down everything within 100m or put grief into time or some other horrible effect. Our magic non self-enhancing devices have had a bad track record.
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Or we could go the D&D route of Timestop and just increase the speed at which everything in a bubble of grief happens, giving us more time in a way that doesn't require messing with the universe's clock settings.

And we wouldn't have to deal with a time limit if we had timestop, so we'd tinker until we were tired of tinkering, without losing anything of value.

And whenever we came up with a new question we could test it at no cost.
 
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chocolote12 said:
Or we could go the D&D route of Timestop and just increase the speed at which everything in a bubble of grief happens, giving us more time in a way that doesn't require messing with the universe's clock settings.

And we wouldn't have to deal with a time limit if we had timestop, so we'd tinker until we were tired of tinkering, without losing anything of value.

And whenever we came up with a new question we could test it at no cost.
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Uhhhh then everything in that bubble ages and rots faster not to mention we're using magic not meant to fuck with time to fuck with time. I really think it's a terrible idea. Feels like it'd cause another barrier incident.
 
Ways time stop can go horribly wrong:
•Locked out of normal time, permanently
•Frozen in time for a significant duration
•We end up freezing someone else in time
•We end up breaking space-time
•Delete a piece of time
There are more, but I just thought I would put the more dangerous ones here.
 
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Gadjo said:
Uhhhh then everything in that bubble ages and rots faster not to mention we're using magic not meant to fuck with time to fuck with time. I really think it's a terrible idea. Feels like it'd cause another barrier incident.
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Everything would rot faster, yes... just as fast as we would. Unless we decided to spend days and days in there, there wouldn't really be a difference you could notice without specialised tools. Furthermore, the way this will work is by making every reaction in the area happen faster, not by giving us more time, so the actual element of time isn't touched.

To use A Nasuverse concept, I'm suggesting Wizardry, not Sorcery: what I'm suggesting is something science could do with the right tools, not something that breaks physics like Homura does.

Tl:dr D&D Haste spell on everything in a bubble, that simulates Timestop but doesn't actually do it.
 
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chocolote12 said:
Everything would rot faster, yes... just as fast as we would. Unless we decided to spend days and days in there, there wouldn't really be a difference you could notice without specialised tools. Furthermore, the way this will work is by making every reaction in the area happen faster, not by giving us more time, so the actual element of time isn't touched.

To use A Nasuverse concept, I'm suggesting Wizardry, not Sorcery: what I'm suggesting is something science could do with the right tools, not something that breaks physics like Homura does.

Tl:dr D&D Haste spell on everything in a bubble, that simulates Timestop but doesn't actually do it.
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I mean, I don't think it's important at all and that it'll fail, but we can spend a very very short time trying it once. We just have waaaaaaaaaaaayyy more important stuff than random grief hax to develop.
 
Onmur said:
About the vote:

I'm concerned we might be leaving Kirika alone to despair over Oriko's apparent corpse. If we could do a bit more...? Like giving her ideas as to how she might apply her powers to help Oriko, or just get her trying to find a way to turn her AM pulses into a permanent form.

And could we add that 'Grief deletion' idea to the last line, in case the update goes that far, though I doubt it will.
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I like the antimagic suggestion. I think I'll add it.

The grief deletion... It kinda doesn't feel appropriate to do it right now. Maybe after lunch? Something to keep in mind.
 
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Muramasa said:
I like the antimagic suggestion. I think I'll add it.

The grief deletion... It kinda doesn't feel appropriate to do it right now. Maybe after lunch? Something to keep in mind.
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It's more about giving Best Buddy something to do, though it would be really nice if it worked, somehow.

Next few hours are gonna be pretty hard for her.
 
Gadjo said:
I mean, I don't think it's important at all and that it'll fail, but we can spend a very very short time trying it once. We just have waaaaaaaaaaaayyy more important stuff than random grief hax to develop.
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Maybe twice and no more? It's just that if it succeeds, it pays for itself and everything else we can do many times over, so it's worth a little effort...
 
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