Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
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I think we are facing a misunderstading...
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I can't help but notice how Ugo is just completely ignoring the whole
"Dewitching > Timestop for difficulty by a ridiculous margin
But
Enchanting can do Dewitching, Enchanting can't do timestop" logic that I keep pointing out is what he's saying.
I keep typing this terribly. I'll try again if nobody else can make sense of it.
Does this make sense to anybody else? Because the logic behind it is flying over my head.
"Dewitching > Timestop for difficulty by a ridiculous margin
But
Enchanting can do Dewitching, Enchanting can't do timestop" logic that I keep pointing out is what he's saying.
I keep typing this terribly. I'll try again if nobody else can make sense of it.
Does this make sense to anybody else? Because the logic behind it is flying over my head.
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- Location
- South Africa
It doesn't make any sense to me, but Ugo and I are at practically opposite ends of the spectrum on interpretation on the stuff related to this.
(Quite ironic for the massive Sayaka-fan who can see no wrong in her and the thread's resident Sayaka. Though, honestly, I don't believe show Sayaka would agree with thread Sayaka on this)
(Quite ironic for the massive Sayaka-fan who can see no wrong in her and the thread's resident Sayaka. Though, honestly, I don't believe show Sayaka would agree with thread Sayaka on this)
Gadjo
Doka
The logic is that we have control over grief and therefore might be able to change a grief-based organism like a witch. Timestop runs into the problem of our hundred meter range. Shit behaves strangely when it leaves 100m of us.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
No, no, I'm talking about enchantment here. Standard Meguca power. Not Grief magic. Ugolino consistently states that it is enchantment, not grief magic, that will dewitch people. He also claims that you can't set up an enchantment for timestop. In both cases, I speak of standard Meguca powers.
Why?
Not to get into this debate, but I highly doubt a Meguca's "normal" enchantment alone will be able to cleanse soul gems or play a part in dewitching people. Something that game changing would of been discovered by now, really.
I think our special "flavor" of magic is going to have to play a part of the enchantment we put into it.
I think our special "flavor" of magic is going to have to play a part of the enchantment we put into it.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
This is good sense. However, it's completely irrelevant because as long as Ugo is around we'll never get to find out, because it'll be labelled as lolscience and thrown back into the corner.
I'm not going to say what I think is or isn't a good use of our time when our schedule is "free-ish" at this time.
However, as it pertains to right now, I am of the opinion we are out of time to try anything else before we need to head to lunch. Anything we try has too much risk of us causing us to miss our lunch deadline; anything else we would try would take up too much of our margin.
Hang on actually, what time is it in universe? And when are we supposed to meet up with them?
However, as it pertains to right now, I am of the opinion we are out of time to try anything else before we need to head to lunch. Anything we try has too much risk of us causing us to miss our lunch deadline; anything else we would try would take up too much of our margin.
Hang on actually, what time is it in universe? And when are we supposed to meet up with them?
IIRC we set our phone alarm at half an hour before lunch time. So yeah, I think we need to start heading out now IC, unless we want to set our grief wings/carpet to ludicrous speed, just to be at the roof on time to meet Mami.
Muramasa
Best Girl
If it's a matter of speeding up our own personal time then that range limit is irrelevant. Theoretically Homura's timestop works the same way by just speeding up her own personal time exponentially, instead of stopping everyone else's which would take an insane amount of magic.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
This current yelling fest isn't really about what to do before and while going to lunch, though. Nobody is saying "let's delay".
This yelling fest is about Ugo, and his general Ugo-ness.
Several thoughts regarding Oriko's situation:
Attempt to cure Oriko by using grief to fix her soul gem is horribly dangerous... but we can ask her to check if it will succeed. Can't we?
Pain-blocking rings are hard to make... but Sabrina already made one with help of control bracelet. There are two tools that she needs to have to make quick progress in enchanting. First is control-enhancer, to allow her make non-permanent, but working items. Second is perception-enhancer, that lets her see what exactly she is doing. It's only matter of doing it with both control-enhancer and perception-enhancer to let her know exactly how it is done, and then repeating it again and again with progressively smaller aid to her control. Currently she it trying 'harder' instead of 'smarter'.
Good way to cure Oriko may be a healing item designed to brings wellness - especially one that works on area. Imagine healing circle, that restores anyone standing inside. As before, we can ask Oriko if it will work, and if there are side-effects.
If above fails, there may be a way to keep Oriko within range of Sabrina's grief-control, even at the distance. Imagine that Sabrina makes pair of rings out of grief. She designs them to be linked. Looking through one you look out of another. Putting finger through one, it makes a finger disappear and come out of another. The space is bound and linked between those two rings. Sabrina keeps one ring somewhere on her person. Oriko keeps another. Sabrina's influence can reach through the paired rings and keep them, and any other item on Oriko stable - regardless of their actual distance in real world.
Attempt to cure Oriko by using grief to fix her soul gem is horribly dangerous... but we can ask her to check if it will succeed. Can't we?
Pain-blocking rings are hard to make... but Sabrina already made one with help of control bracelet. There are two tools that she needs to have to make quick progress in enchanting. First is control-enhancer, to allow her make non-permanent, but working items. Second is perception-enhancer, that lets her see what exactly she is doing. It's only matter of doing it with both control-enhancer and perception-enhancer to let her know exactly how it is done, and then repeating it again and again with progressively smaller aid to her control. Currently she it trying 'harder' instead of 'smarter'.
Good way to cure Oriko may be a healing item designed to brings wellness - especially one that works on area. Imagine healing circle, that restores anyone standing inside. As before, we can ask Oriko if it will work, and if there are side-effects.
If above fails, there may be a way to keep Oriko within range of Sabrina's grief-control, even at the distance. Imagine that Sabrina makes pair of rings out of grief. She designs them to be linked. Looking through one you look out of another. Putting finger through one, it makes a finger disappear and come out of another. The space is bound and linked between those two rings. Sabrina keeps one ring somewhere on her person. Oriko keeps another. Sabrina's influence can reach through the paired rings and keep them, and any other item on Oriko stable - regardless of their actual distance in real world.
Gadjo
Doka
I don't really give a shit about your beef with Ugo and what he thinks of this isn't what I'm talking about. I believe that our grief powers have a temporary leaning to them, and that standard magic needs to work with our powers to get something like dewitching done. Also, using enchantment for timestop seems ridiculous and the rest of your argument I can't parse because you seem to be less arguing for an idea and more mad at Ugo.
Ehhhhhh I mean, from a meta standpoint, it seems unlikely we'd be given that power, on top of aaaaaaaaalllllllll the other shit we can do.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
After a point, Grief Control + Enchantment Mastery is reality-warping, but I can see Firn ruling that only wishes can grant certain abilities.
- Location
- Canada
Mmm, well...
The result for one of Sabrina's potential wishes would have given localized reality warping, so...
Muramasa
Best Girl
Not saying we're actually capable of it, but theoretically we should be. We have seen witches capable of time destortions (i.e. Aurora).
One of the functions of the infinity gauntlet (not that we had the real one but it does serve as a hint) did involve time manipulation.
And within our range, grief manipulation has had few real limits.
Honestly, I don't see an IC reason why we can't do it.
Busy writing, but wish magic? We shouldn't be capable of timestopping any more than we can use Rosso Phantasma exactly the way Kyoko does, or heal for real the way Sayaka does. We don't have ribbon magic.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
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- She/Her
I say we try all sorts of things. If one method fails, then at least we know one way that doesn't work. We will never know for sure until we try.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work." - Edison
Our magic is very flexible magic. It's just that many of the effects will ping as "Witch" to everyone else's senses.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work." - Edison
Our magic is very flexible magic. It's just that many of the effects will ping as "Witch" to everyone else's senses.
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AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
If a witch can do it, we can probably do it.
We can probably do ribbon magic within our 100m range, ditto Rosso Phantasma. They don't seem that complicated.
The thing is we can't do Mami's particular ribbon magic or a REAL Rosso Phantasma. At best, we can do a superficially similar imitation. A pirated knockoff, so to speak, rather than a replication. Which becomes a problem when it's timestop you're trying to copy/knock off.
Gadjo
Doka
Well, do keep in mind- Meta is totally admissible here.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I'm highly unsure about whether we can duplicate Homura's brand of intuitive physics timestop (where light keeps going and you can breathe) with griefhax. But I also see no reason for Homura to be unable to eventually enchant items to hold a semblance of her magic, which would include potential timestop bracelets.
Yeah, but that's PMMM meta, not quest meta. Sabrina knows the events of the anime, but doesn't know that she's a quest protagonist.
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Ehhhh, but her reasoning is based on the threads. Sabrina can KNOW something's a bad idea and won't work, because meta makes her quirky like that.
Still writing.
