Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
All the more reason to keep them separated.
We could shield/pocket our Gem just in case, and just tank it? We need our head intact, but not much else...
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Maybe we could bring her a gift? Something sort of item to defuse tensions. And retroactively apologize for breaking into her house, as a 'sorry, we wouldn't normally do this, but it seemed urgent so..."
"I'm upset that you broke into my room, but this lovely gift basket keeps me from being quite as angry as I should be..."
We do have the money.
"I'm upset that you broke into my room, but this lovely gift basket keeps me from being quite as angry as I should be..."
We do have the money.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Hmm. We could ask Mami to hold our gem for a moment?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Possible.
If Ono attacks us, and we facetank it... If anything, it'd be a sort of object lesson on the meguca life.
If she does freak out or attack us, fine. We aren't going to die and worst case we can just drop her from timestop. Soul gem to one of our friends is good too.
I really do not recommend trying to scare her. I'd rather she attacked then recoiled - if she's too afraid she won't process anything we say right.
If anything, we could perhaps draw her into timestop without touching her (grief marble or whatever), and start talking while we seat ourselves and so on. Not convinced it's better outright mind you.
Also, line to respond to Mami at the beginning:
[] I'll try myself, but please back me up?
I really do not recommend trying to scare her. I'd rather she attacked then recoiled - if she's too afraid she won't process anything we say right.
If anything, we could perhaps draw her into timestop without touching her (grief marble or whatever), and start talking while we seat ourselves and so on. Not convinced it's better outright mind you.
Also, line to respond to Mami at the beginning:
[] I'll try myself, but please back me up?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
If we were to do this, I think we should acknowledge our own... misgivings.
Physically,
[] Pinch you nose.
And verbally,
[] "Actually, I just talked myself into doing something stupid. Please, hold me." Leave you Gem in Mami's hands.
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This could be a hilarious way to introduce her to the lich bomb. Hilarious for us I mean.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We need to Lichbomb her anyway. She needs to know it's her life she's playing with when she accumulates corruption rather than asking for help.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Why not just stick it in a grief sphere? Those things are coherent matter, so antimagic won't break them open (not that best buddy would betray us without a darn good reason) and they can tank super-lasers without even denting. We don't have to see our gem to cleanse it, and it's completely logical for the person with the wonder-material to put their one true weakness where it can't be reached. But every time I bring this up, people agree, and then they forget about it until the next time it's brought up.
I'm kinda serious about the gift idea.
The more I think about it, the more it seems like the kind of disarming gesture that we'd be good at. Something unexpectedly generous that serves as a physically tangible icon of our intent.
Actually telling her we're bringing goodies might help also. Get her thinking about things other than grades and grief and magical girls. Something wonderfully mundane to forget about them with.
I'm thinking ice cream with spoons.
"That's okay Ono, but we happened to be in the area outside your house, and we happened to have a nice tub of ice cream. And if you happened to show up, we might happen to have some extra bowls and spoons. Also I can show you my sword. "
Sometimes I think our levity is our best trait, and the one we should leverage on socials.
The more I think about it, the more it seems like the kind of disarming gesture that we'd be good at. Something unexpectedly generous that serves as a physically tangible icon of our intent.
Actually telling her we're bringing goodies might help also. Get her thinking about things other than grades and grief and magical girls. Something wonderfully mundane to forget about them with.
I'm thinking ice cream with spoons.
"That's okay Ono, but we happened to be in the area outside your house, and we happened to have a nice tub of ice cream. And if you happened to show up, we might happen to have some extra bowls and spoons. Also I can show you my sword. "
Sometimes I think our levity is our best trait, and the one we should leverage on socials.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
There's... reasons. Encasing our Soul in Grief? Like a Grief Seed? It's uncomfortable, to say the least.Why not just stick it in a grief sphere? Those things are coherent matter, so antimagic won't break them open (not that best buddy would betray us without a darn good reason) and they can tank super-lasers without even denting. We don't have to see our gem to cleanse it, and it's completely logical for the person with the wonder-material to put their one true weakness where it can't be reached. But every time I bring this up, people agree, and then they forget about it until the next time it's brought up.
The real reason, though, is that we don't feel it's necessary. Megucas go month or even years without trouble protecting their Soul Gems; it's not likely to get sniped.
Unfortunately, 'a darn good reason' amounts to 'Oriko says so'.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She needs to know she's playing with her life. She'll mak ethe connection herself, if we don't tell her.
Muramasa
Best Girl
What? No, I meant keeping our soul gem sealed and away from our person. As in acting like a lich.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Ah. I guess. It doesn't really bother me that way, but that's one more reason for the thread as a whole.
We kind of already are a lich. Might as well go all the way, right? Honestly if not for the the whole 100m radius we'd essentially be a proper D&D lich.
Muramasa
Best Girl
In general, I'd prefer we remain as human as possible. Considering for most magical girls that's hard as fuck.
Muramasa
Best Girl
[X] I'll try myself, but please back me up?
[X] Tell Mami and Homura you're going to bring Miss Ono into the timestop.
-[x] Recommend a small bit of distance so that she doesn't feel completely overwhelmed.
-[x] When everyone is ready, wrap a small ring of grief around one of Megane's fingers. See if that brings her into the timestop. If not, just use a conventional method.
[x] "This might be a delayed answer," cleanse her Soul Gem, "but I do think your life is very important."
-[x] Take one of your Grief Seeds (Andrea), and leave it on her bedside.
-[x] "You are burning through too much magic, too quickly. Your soul gem is darkening way too fast."
-[x] "You're killing yourself, Megane. That's what'll happen when your Soul Gem fills up completely, or when you go try to fight a Witch alone, while high on corruption. I told you, it effects your judgement in the worst way. It's an extremely dangerous position to be in."
-[x] "And I can't have that. I can't have you ignorant of the dangers of this world you've been brought into."
Onmur's suggestion with a little more preparation. Also I'm out of time. Feel free to add to this.
Also I'm afraid taking more then base level corruption from a grief seed hasn't been tested yet. Had to take it out.
[X] Tell Mami and Homura you're going to bring Miss Ono into the timestop.
-[x] Recommend a small bit of distance so that she doesn't feel completely overwhelmed.
-[x] When everyone is ready, wrap a small ring of grief around one of Megane's fingers. See if that brings her into the timestop. If not, just use a conventional method.
[x] "This might be a delayed answer," cleanse her Soul Gem, "but I do think your life is very important."
-[x] Take one of your Grief Seeds (Andrea), and leave it on her bedside.
-[x] "You are burning through too much magic, too quickly. Your soul gem is darkening way too fast."
-[x] "You're killing yourself, Megane. That's what'll happen when your Soul Gem fills up completely, or when you go try to fight a Witch alone, while high on corruption. I told you, it effects your judgement in the worst way. It's an extremely dangerous position to be in."
-[x] "And I can't have that. I can't have you ignorant of the dangers of this world you've been brought into."
Onmur's suggestion with a little more preparation. Also I'm out of time. Feel free to add to this.
Also I'm afraid taking more then base level corruption from a grief seed hasn't been tested yet. Had to take it out.
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Andrea. I don't think that we should give Ono a grief seed until we first find out what happened to Gwen (she probably gave it to Kyuubey, but it's also possible that it was lost/stolen/hidden). And we shouldn't give her the seed unless she first promises to keep it safe and not give it to Kyuubey.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We need to make it clear her life matters more, and that it's what we care about. We're not holding back on that.
AuraTwilight
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CornyBones is pretty on point.
[x] Whatever SWB votes for, we're on the same page philosophically.
[x] Whatever SWB votes for, we're on the same page philosophically.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Yes, but the whole emphasizing the not giving seeds to kyuubey thing is important. These are souls, remember? And we have effectively no way of ever finding the incubator homeworld, so they're pretty much lost for good, barring a miracle. Don't waste souls. They are valuable things.
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I agree, though clearly we need to go from the perspective that they are a valuable resource that is normally only obtainable through battling eldritch horrors .
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
We could just pull something about them containing all the souls of the witch's victims; It's not like it'd even be a lie.
Ah, the joys of trying to catch up on the thread after going to sleep.
I do understand the concerns about Ono's reaction to instant pop-up, but that's part of what I'm trying to defuse in the physical aspects of the introduction.
The surprise appearance will cause a moment of shock, which gives a brief moment to set the tone. Stepping back and sitting down on the floor is a non-confrontational gesture, with a psychologically submissive aspect. It should drain the tension that might lead to an immediate physical attack, although it's likely that it will be followed up by an emotional lashing out. Placing Mami out in front with a somewhat hesitant bearing, and the likelihood of her sitting to place her on an equal level with Ono (rather than continuing to stand, and being an overbearing presence), should defuse the high-end emotional backlash. After that point, Ono should be at a low simmer, which is really the best that can be hoped for in this situation.
Likewise, with Onmur's and SWB's thoughts, Mami being the voice in this conversation will likely be much better in showing we care, because Sabrina just doesn't do "subtle caring" very well at all. If you want someone to recognize the real concern you have, let Mami do the talking; Sabrina will just screw it up.
Heh, yeah, it's really hard to phrase that concept succinctly.
I do understand the concerns about Ono's reaction to instant pop-up, but that's part of what I'm trying to defuse in the physical aspects of the introduction.
The surprise appearance will cause a moment of shock, which gives a brief moment to set the tone. Stepping back and sitting down on the floor is a non-confrontational gesture, with a psychologically submissive aspect. It should drain the tension that might lead to an immediate physical attack, although it's likely that it will be followed up by an emotional lashing out. Placing Mami out in front with a somewhat hesitant bearing, and the likelihood of her sitting to place her on an equal level with Ono (rather than continuing to stand, and being an overbearing presence), should defuse the high-end emotional backlash. After that point, Ono should be at a low simmer, which is really the best that can be hoped for in this situation.
Likewise, with Onmur's and SWB's thoughts, Mami being the voice in this conversation will likely be much better in showing we care, because Sabrina just doesn't do "subtle caring" very well at all. If you want someone to recognize the real concern you have, let Mami do the talking; Sabrina will just screw it up.
This I'd disagree with. As long as voices aren't raised, I think we'll be OK. Even if we draw attention, and the mom comes knocking, just timestop and step out the window, and continue the conversation outside (having dropped timestop; that would only be used for the instant exit).
My personal preference is to not do anything with Ono in timestop. We know that timestop is deeply unsettling, and we're already in a delicate situation, emotionally. It just seems like a very bad combination.
It feels like you're really not grasping the objections here. Ono is calm at the moment. If we pop up, she's going to be upset (to varying degrees, and defusable to varying degrees). If we pop up and slam grief walls around her (and restrain her, and start demanding stuff of her and so forth, in your vote), you're ratcheting up the aggressive presence beyond recoverability. You cannot defuse that, and you don't even make an attempt to counterbalance that action. It is, as noted, a terrible idea. That's the way you treat an enemy, not a friend.