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ultima333
Lazy Snug Youkai
It's the glasses. Normally they make all the difference, but not here.OK, so. I see discussion, and I'm kind of interested in seeing where you guys are going with it, so I won't be updating tonight.
Instead, have a picture that creeps me the fuck out.
See here, a normal example of Glasses and No Glasses Homu
DracoDracul
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Also because she has the earring the shows this is post rebellion.
noahgab1133
Fluffy?
you know seeing that picture reminded me of the perspective the other magical girls see sabrina in.
She is quite frankly terrifying to an absurd degree despite just how airheaded she seems to be. She can control grief as in the stuff that is supposed to be bad for magical girls, the stuff the witches use for just about anything and even feels like one once she gets going. If ono asked QB about Sabrina's past interactions with other magical girls not part of her team then I expect him to have put us in the worst possible light using examples of how we fought in sendai and our fight with oriko without any context.
popping up in her room or even outside her house is probably going to give her a heart attack because i just realized with homura at our side, we can be anywhere anytime without any notice. Include in Mami's status of a veteran meguca, that clings desperately to us., what does that say about Sabrina? Add in kirika and oriko to our team, and Sabrina probably has more firepower, logistics and intelligence than almost any other magical girl team out there without getting into the girls we befriended. Not to mention our plans to acquire kazumi's team for R&D into dewitching.
quite frankly I expect ono to be afraid and lashing out, and we should definitely include something in the vote that has us calming her down a bit but I don't see how that is possible. I'm afraid this situation is more than likely going to end the same way it did for aikiko.
She is quite frankly terrifying to an absurd degree despite just how airheaded she seems to be. She can control grief as in the stuff that is supposed to be bad for magical girls, the stuff the witches use for just about anything and even feels like one once she gets going. If ono asked QB about Sabrina's past interactions with other magical girls not part of her team then I expect him to have put us in the worst possible light using examples of how we fought in sendai and our fight with oriko without any context.
popping up in her room or even outside her house is probably going to give her a heart attack because i just realized with homura at our side, we can be anywhere anytime without any notice. Include in Mami's status of a veteran meguca, that clings desperately to us., what does that say about Sabrina? Add in kirika and oriko to our team, and Sabrina probably has more firepower, logistics and intelligence than almost any other magical girl team out there without getting into the girls we befriended. Not to mention our plans to acquire kazumi's team for R&D into dewitching.
quite frankly I expect ono to be afraid and lashing out, and we should definitely include something in the vote that has us calming her down a bit but I don't see how that is possible. I'm afraid this situation is more than likely going to end the same way it did for aikiko.
One thing we can do is to remind Ono that she is part of the team since she joined us yesterday. We might be scary, but we're on her side.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
This has been brought up quite a few times, in a few ways.
For example, it's my main reason I don't want anybody knowing about Oriko's powers. Power begets fear, and scared people do stupid things. We need to make a support network that's reliable, and part of that is consolidating visible power, just... not to the point of fear.
Yes. I actually really like the idea of just dropping in and doing our best Madokami impression with some genuine concern. Yes, it deliberately shortcuts us straight to her having a fit about our intrusion, but any plan where we force her to come talk with us goes the same place eventually; she isn't going to give us any more than we force her to, and we aren't going to leave with nothing either. The way I see it is either we have a confrontation of some sort, or we shouldn't appear at all and just leave a seed or something.
This goes back to my post last update about how just showing up is going to humiliate her and cause at least a minor breakdown. We're committed to showing up. Let's acknowledge that because we're committed to showing up, we are going to have to deal with her freaking out at us, and get that out of the way.
I actually prefer if she lashes out at us, over getting stonewalled for the next however many updates. I don't want us getting frustrated and deploying a Sabrina Rant. I don't want her slowly tuning us out over several updates as we get more and more concerned without being able to say anything to actually influence her. We can skip all that, if we drop the pretenses that we're going to respect her boundaries, which I might add, are already well and truly dropped just by showing up and doubly made irrelevant by breaking in and snooping.
It's not like we couldn't have started our interaction tonight by explaining everything by telepathy, checking with Oriko on whether she's in danger after that, and if so dropping by for a cleanse+seed or if not meeting tomorrow. That was the option that avoided a confrontation, but we don't have that option anymore.
I get that just appearing out of timestop is definitely not ideal, but we aren't going to get ideal. Votes where we force her to engage us like the popular ones last update and Muramasa's this update won't achieve anything except put us on track for forcing a breakdown/confrontation in a few updates or having us leave unsatisfied.
One issue in execution is that if we exit timestop, we aren't going to be able to have a conversation without her family member getting in the way.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Another thought, then: Would not exiting timestop actually help her deal with the break in? If we drop it, we're there, in her room, her inviolable place. If we don't, we're in this gray and creepy world that looks a lot like her room, but as soon as that ends, we dissapear along with the weird world, and she might simply and willingly discard the idea that we were in her room, if she wants.
Let's be honest, Ono wouldn't have listened to us anyway.
This is why my vote has us erecting a grief sound barrier.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
And I think that's a terrible idea.
Better would be to tell Ono to put on some music really loud, so we can talk without being heard. The door would be locked, anyway, and the 'mother' is kind of drunk, so I wouldn't expect interruptions that way.
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Suddenly popping up in her room without a warning is bad enough. I don't think black walls that seperate her room from the outside and scream witch will help her calm down.
She's not going to be calm in any case. And this would just be normal grief walls, not witchy walls. She'll be able to feel them, certainly, but the fact that we're suddenly in her room is going to be far more unnerving than the walls. And also less unnerving than if her mother hears the talking and comes to investigate.
Edit: an alternative method to accomplish the same thing would be to draw Ono into timestop. But that would be a similar level of unnerving and also cause Homura to be a bit jittery. That's why I think that grief walls would be best.
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I really should read all the comments toward the next update but I throw in my cent:
With Megane's aversion with three of us to varying degrees, don't you think we could bring in Madoka or Sayaka
as a way to relate to Megane?
For Madoka it would be her open nature kindness which would be an acceptance/ear Megane's looking for about life.
For Sayaka I would think the kinship between the two would be over schoolwork or the wealth status or masks of their inner turmoil.
Of course this might work if there's no time limit since bringing either of the two to Megane's house in the middle of the night would ruin any chance of an relationship.....
Ah well we will see, say do bring those two in as a way to bring in an fresh approach, in the emotional context of a teenage girl.
With Megane's aversion with three of us to varying degrees, don't you think we could bring in Madoka or Sayaka
as a way to relate to Megane?
For Madoka it would be her open nature kindness which would be an acceptance/ear Megane's looking for about life.
For Sayaka I would think the kinship between the two would be over schoolwork or the wealth status or masks of their inner turmoil.
Of course this might work if there's no time limit since bringing either of the two to Megane's house in the middle of the night would ruin any chance of an relationship.....
Ah well we will see, say do bring those two in as a way to bring in an fresh approach, in the emotional context of a teenage girl.
Muramasa
Best Girl
So Gilgamesh.
Personally, I fucking despise playing as Gilgamesh and don't mind exhausting other options on the hope that something works or until we're left with no choice but to drop all pretense. The only person being truly effected here is Megane, and as she hasn't done anything truly horrible, I don't nearly mind the 'rope votes' that plagued the Sendai arc.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We're doing our best to keep Madoka and Sayaka away from the meguca life.
Here's the thing: calling her out is an extremely forceful option. Not quite as forceful as an ultimatum, but it tells her that we have no respect for her wishes and implies further action on our part if she refuses. Perhaps justifiably, but we don't bother to frame it so, and even if we did can we do so in a way that is convincing to her?
We don't want her to merely comply. We want her to come talk to us, and to listen to us and internalize what we say, and to reach out to us or at least respond amicably in the future. I can't see how to get from here to there from a call-out vote.
Maybe, but that was before annoying her further with three successive telepathy calls and the whole "you'll die" thing might have put a damper on pettiness.
So we can check that possibility with Oriko, and timestop find her if it was going to be a thing. Which is literally in the scenario I outlined. Mind you, debating this is dumb, so I'd rather not make a hypothetical example that can't happen a point of contention.
It's only Gilgamesh if we act condescendingly and are critical of her. I explicitly reject that approach. Go in as kindly as we can, break any bad news in gentle tone, explicitly state that we're worried about her, and just stay serene in the face of whatever she replies with. No backtalk, no "if only you had listened", no criticism of her choices except to outline consequences of her magic, and as little implication of all of the above as we can.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"This might be a delayed answer, but I do think your life is very important."
Flawed alternative vote:
[] Sigh. Excuse yourself. Sit besides Ono and grab her by a shoulder.
-[] "This might be a delayed answer," cleanse her Soul Gem, "but I do think your life is very important."
-[] Take one of your Grief Seeds, empty it a tad more than normal (4 uses?), and leave it on her bedside.
-[] "You're killing yourself, Ono. That's what'll happen when your Soul Gem fills up completely, or when you go try to fight a Witch alone, while high on corruption, on magic-induced depression."
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Muramasa
Best Girl
The one thing that concerns me is Megane will freak the moment we appear in the room unannounced and could attack us out of shock reflex, but that's an interesting alt vote.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Ono seems to respond overly well to societal clues, though that might be different in her own private place. I'd be hoping the timestop world will set her back, plus we could try to seem menacing at first look, before trying to channel our inner Madoka?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Hey, Hitler ate sugar. Just because a condenscending person who thinks he's better than the people he's talking to uses that tactic does not make it automatically ineffective, or even bad. Sometimes forcing the issue is better, when it seems to be self-destructiveness.
Madoka and Sayaka didn't choose the Meguca life, but it wants to choose them.
Muramasa
Best Girl
That's not quite what I meant. I mean, we'd be sitting on her bed and bringing her into the timestop by close contact. So her freaking out and attacking us out of reflex is something to keep in mind.