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DracoDracul said:
And to demonstrate this: Quick poll would you rather:

A) Face down the Aokigahara witch?

or

B)Try and stabilize Mami after her finding out about where witches come from?
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The question could mean a couple things. I figure you're asking which one we think is easier, in which case the answer is A. I think Lordsservant interpreted it as asking which is more worthwhile, and given that I agree that the answer is B.
 
[q]Option A
Firnagzen said:
"Not a Witch?" you ask carefully. Not Gretchen, or Homulily? Or your own Witch, whatever that might be?

"It's not," Oriko replies. "A Witch, you can kill."
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We can take a witch; even if we have to do it by just absorbing it bit by bit, one 100-meter circle at a time.
And, well... a giant witch is going to be killing tons of people, and we definitely can't have that. (Though we will definitely need to try and defuse Mami at some point or another - ideally, after we dewitch a seed. )
 
I don't even know what
[X] SynchronizedWritersBlock
is voting for, all I know is I agree with their reasoning.
 
Torgamous said:
The question could mean a couple things. I figure you're asking which one we think is easier, in which case the answer is A. I think Lordsservant interpreted it as asking which is more worthwhile, and given that I agree that the answer is B.
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Which would send the thread into less of a panic?
 
o3o said:
With witches, we summon MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN and/or stop in the middle of battle to do science (freaking chicken familiar...). We literally use witch battles as free time.

With social... *gestures at last few pages*
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And that's my point.

Hell lets make the point even more clear

A) Aokigahara witch

B)Break it to Mami that her new hairstyle is rather unflattering.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
However, I don't think that we should play by the conversational structures she expects. I think we should act in a way that breaks all her expected convention and establishes a new paradigm for our future meetings, after the expected blowup or other difficulties are done.
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I can see where you'd desire to change the dynamics of the relationships, but I think a smooth transition would work better than the appearance that we just forcibly overthrew Mami in the power structure. That type of person is not someone I'd trust working with.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
subtle caring (not sure that's the phrase I'd use tho) than we are
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Indeed, probably not the best phrasing. What I'm saying is that Mami can be a diplomat, and she's good at it. A diplomat that can't show they care about your concerns isn't a diplomat, they're just someone making demands (see: Sabrina).

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Mami is best at professional interaction, at establishing or fitting in to role relationships, and at diplomacy/detente with strangers.
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Exactly.

A good diplomat can show they care through a multitude of subtle behaviors — in physical posture, tone of voice, choice of words, which questions you choose to answer, and who you get to answer them, and so forth. It's not the same kind of caring as you might get from a close friend (which I think is what you took my phrase to imply), but the caring that indicates that you believe that everyone's concerns matter. It's an inclusive behavior that helps defuse hostility, which is precisely what we need at this point.

I should also note that this doesn't encompass the entirety of the discussion; it's just getting things to where we can talk to each other as equals. I could perhaps revise my proposal a bit to better show that this is only the starting stage, though.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
But as things are, while she might do a great job at the initial presentation, this is a conversation where failure of some sort is inevitable.
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Then let's take that strength of an opening, and use that leverage to shift the conversation to different areas of strength as things progress, if it falls away from Mami's expertise.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I do think we can pull a Madoka, if for no other reason than that Sabrina does what we vote for. But I also think Sabrina has it in her - we kind of did with Kyoko, refer to the too nice comment, and Homura was reminded of Madoka after seeing us in action for good reason. And well...

It's in our metaphorical genes, no?
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This, I'd disagree with. I don't think Sabrina has ever even come close to playing a Madoka. Sabrina has been kind, and she's been helpful, but it's always on her own terms, and always in an attempt to shift people to be more like we want them to be. Madoka would accept them as they are, and provide them with strength because of that acceptance. I suppose it's theoretically possible, but I'd be looking at the thread the same way Homura looked at Sabrina after Sabrina revealed the lichbomb to Mami.
 
If we're really doing this, maybe we should tell Homura and Mami to back off into the background for a bit? At least of the beginning? Somewhat similar to our first meeting? Megane is probably going to be extremely overwhelmed in addition to being incredibly upset. And I'm not sure if we want to make it seem like we're ganging up on her.
 
Onmur said:
It certainly would be interesting, in the chinese sense of the word.
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Okay, here me out here.

Do you want the option that will complicate future interactions in the 'we fumbled the social! Avoid the problem' way that we tend towards

Or do you want the option where we actually back up our words in a personable manner, that can't escalate the situation with aggressive and lazy hamfisted lectures and domestic trauma. Because I'm not seeing any other options that try for anything other than a C' rank dialogue option.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Difficulty is a mental construct.
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It's more that a lot of the participants in this thread don't actually know how to interact with others, especially not when it comes to understanding motivations. Deciding on a social action for effect? It's probably not helped by the "decisions by committee" or having to decide on what she's going to say before that part of the conversation arises.
 
CornyBones said:
Okay, here me out here.

Do you want the option that will complicate future interactions in the 'we fumbled the social! Avoid the problem' way that we tend towards

Or do you want the option where we actually back up our words in a personable manner, that can't escalate the situation with aggressive and lazy hamfisted lectures and domestic trauma. Because I'm not seeing any other options that try for anything other than a C' rank dialogue option.
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I can't even fathom how you think bringing 'gifts' as if we hadn't already pissed off Ono beyond beilef would do anything other than destroy any chance we might have left.

It very much escalates the situation when Ono will see it as us trating her like a little child, trying to make everything better by giving her sweets?
 
To be specific, it's probably that people in the thread don't know how to deal with situations like this - like, personally, while I know to be (willingly) stupid and goofy, I don't really know how to deal with the kind of trauma that PMMM seems to have in abundance. Taking the situation when we dealt with Oriko... I haven't the slightest idea how I'd try to talk someone out of dying for a cause they believe in.
 
Vote tally:
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[X] Are you sure, Mami? If you're not up to it, I'll do it.
[X] If Mami's up to it, nod. Suggest perhaps that we shouldn't just appear in her room.
[X] If Mami's not up to it, suggest leaving the apartment. Re lock all doors.
[X] Fly to Megane's window. Grief carpet. Maintain some distance.
[X] Telepathy Megane:
-[x] Your magic expenditures are a severe problem. If we don't address it tonight, it will kill you.
-[x] Tell her to look out the window.
-[x] It is this important Miss Ono. Please come out.
No. of votes: 1
DracoDracul

[x] Muramasa
No. of votes: 5
EtchedSteel, Gadjo, Onmur, moonstne, MrLZRS

[x] Nod to Mami.
[x] Calm down. Trust Mami.
[x] Gesture Homura over to you while stepping back slightly.
[x] When Mami looks ready, drop timestop.
[x] Take a seat on the floor, hopefully drawing attention. Tug Homura down to join you.
[x] Explicitly defer to and support Mami.
[x] Potential side comments:
-[x] The average magical girl uses about 1 grief seed per week, give or take. Someone with high efficiency magic can stretch it out to one seed every couple weeks. You're going through about one seed per day. That's not sustainable.
No. of votes: 2
Kinematics, cmwatford

[X] Explain the following plan and then enact it:
-[X] Erect a barrier of grief surrounding the room so that Ono's mother/sister won't be disturbed.
-[X] Tell Mami to be ready to restrain Ono with ribbons if she turns violent. Hopefully that won't happen, but it's best to be prepared.
-[X] Pull the grief from Ono's gem.
-[X] Homura resumes time.
-[X] We regret the intrusion, but your life is at stake. That soul gem represents your soul. If it fills with grief, then you die. You are now a member of the team so you aren't allowed to die.
-[X] Explain how grief is caused by magic use and emotional turmoil.
-[X] Ask about the grief seed. Emphasize that she should never give a seed to Kyuubey because we can refresh it.
-[X] Demand to know what is causing Ono's distress.
No. of votes: 1
boonerunner

[X] I'll try myself, but please back me up?
[X] Tell Mami and Homura you're going to bring Miss Ono into the timestop.
-[x] When everyone is ready, wrap a small ring of grief around one of Megane's fingers. See if that brings her into the timestop. If not, just use a conventional method.
[x] This might be a delayed answer, cleanse her Soul Gem, but I do think your life is very important.
-[x] Take one of your Grief Seeds (The witch you fought just before the end of school), and leave it on her bedside.
-[x] You're killing yourself, Megane. That's what'll happen when your Soul Gem fills up completely, or when you go try to fight a Witch alone, while high on corruption, on magic-induced depression.
No. of votes: 1
Muramasa

[x] Whatever SWB votes for, we're on the same page philosophically.
No. of votes: 1
AuraTwilight

[X] I'll try myself, but please back me up?
[X] Tell Mami and Homura you're going to bring Miss Ono into the timestop.
-[x] When everyone is ready, wrap a small ring of grief around one of Megane's fingers. See if that brings her into the timestop. If not, just use a conventional method.
--[x]If touching Ono is necessary, ask Mami to keep Soul Gem safe.
[x] This might be a delayed answer, cleanse her Soul Gem, but I do think your life is very important.
-[x] Take one of your Grief Seeds (The witch you fought just before the end of school), and leave it on her bedside.
-[x] You're killing yourself, Megane. That's what'll happen when your Soul Gem fills up completely, or when you go try to fight a Witch alone, while high on corruption, on magic-induced depression.
-[x] I can see that you have a lot on your mind and I want to help. Helping each other is how we cope. There's nothing weak about asking for it and you're now a part of this team, so I don't want to lose you, just as I wouldn't want to lose any other members of our team. Are you ready to let us help you?
No. of votes: 1
Sereg

[x] Cornybones
No. of votes: 1
Aranfan

[X] SynchronizedWritersBlock
No. of votes: 1
Imrix
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Onmur said:
I can't even fathom how you think bringing 'gifts' as if we hadn't already pissed off Ono beyond beilef would do anything other than destroy any chance we might have left.

It very much escalates the situation when Ono will see it as us trating her like a little child, trying to make everything better by giving her sweets?
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I think you misunderstand the spirit of the vote I'm going for. Buuuut having re-read the chapter thus far, I've changed my mind towards having a firm tone.

I think ice-cream social is less damaging, but she's kinda lashing out....damn but this is going to be ugly though......
Muramasa said:
Right, I'm back home. Any adjustments I need to make?
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Maybe the point about how girls need to stick together? References to the Telekinetic and Kyoko, and the fatality rates.
Asking questions like, how long she's been contracted, if she made any wishes that were supposed to modify her mind.
 
Muramasa said:
Right, I'm back home. Any adjustments I need to make?
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Connecting a strand of solid grief to both our grief rings if the ring alone doesn't work?
Maybe telling Mami and Homura to temporarily back off a bit to avoid completely overwhelming her?
Maybe show more concern and comment that she builds up grief very quickly? Dying because of too much corruption wouldn't so much of an immediate concern if it weren't for that.
 
Connecting a strand of solid grief to both our grief rings if the ring alone doesn't work?
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I'm really only interested if the grief ring by itself is enough to draw Megane into the timestop. Theoretically that should be enough. If not a simple ribbon will suffice. The grief string by itself doesn't hold enough practicality to me.

Maybe telling Mami and Homura to temporarily back off a bit to avoid completely overwhelming her?
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fair point. will edit.

Maybe show more concern and comment that she builds up grief very quickly? Dying because of too much corruption wouldn't so much of an immediate concern if it weren't for that.
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Agreed. I did feel we weren't doing enough here.

Maybe the point about how girls need to stick together? References to the Telekinetic and Kyoko, and the fatality rates.
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This is probably getting a bit ahead of ourselves. We would need Megane to be somewhat willing to listen first.

Asking questions like, how long she's been contracted, if she made any wishes that were supposed to modify her mind.
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I would probably word the second question differently. The first isn't especially relevant. We know she's a new contractee.



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Updated vote.

[X] I'll try myself, but please back me up?
[X] Tell Mami and Homura you're going to bring Miss Ono into the timestop.
-[x] Recommend a small bit of distance so that she doesn't feel completely overwhelmed.
-[x] When everyone is ready, wrap a small ring of grief around one of Megane's fingers. See if that brings her into the timestop. If not, just use a conventional method.
[x] "This might be a delayed answer," cleanse her Soul Gem, "but I do think your life is very important."
-[x] Take one of your Grief Seeds (Andrea), and leave it on her bedside.
-[x] "You are burning through too much magic, too quickly. Your soul gem is darkening way too fast."
-[x] "You're killing yourself, Megane. That's what'll happen when your Soul Gem fills up completely, or when you go try to fight a Witch alone, while high on corruption. I told you, it effects your judgement in the worst way. It's an extremely dangerous position to be in."
-[x] "And I can't have that. I can't have you ignorant of the dangers of this world you've been brought into."
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I'm pretty much OK with Mura's proposal, though I'm still holding onto my own since Mura has enough votes to be the winning choice. There's a couple things I'm iffy on, but at this stage there is no proposal that won't have some unpleasant aspects, so.. meh.
 
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