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Ugolino said:
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Bringing her in the loop on plan 'Invite Kyoko and Yuma to the picnic for MAXIMUM FOODINGS/SOCIAL' sounds good to me, actually. We're running the idea by Mami soonish, right?
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I don't know. We should prepare them both a little for the reconciliation before they actually meet again. Mami resents Kyoko for leaving her, and Kyoko doesn't know exactly how badly off Mami is doing and how big of a mistake leaving was. Combine that with Mami limpet and Kyouplomacy, and it could end very badly.
 
Yeah, I think we need to be a lot more delicate with this kind of thing. I'm not saying we shouldn't be working on reconciliation, but trying to jam it into that kind of time table is... uh...

I'm not sold.
 
Agent Whiskers said:
I don't know. We should prepare them both a little for the reconciliation before they actually meet again. Mami resents Kyoko for leaving her, and Kyoko doesn't know exactly how badly off Mami is doing and how big of a mistake leaving was. Combine that with Mami limpet and Kyouplomacy, and it could end very badly.
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Counterpoint: the picnic is an opportunity, Yuma will be there, Mami and Kyouko tend to reconcile fairly fast unless Kyokoplomacy or Mami snapping at her happens and we'll be on hand to try and defuse that...and Mami is honestly a bit more visibly dejected than in canon, or TDS. We...kind of tore down her front of being the reliable senior for one... :(

Not that there isn't a risk and that it wouldn't be something we'd handle carefully...but if Homura doesn't think it'll end in disaster, we should still consider it.

Besides, we still have some time before the picnic, and this is just laying the groundwork, right?

Either way, we REALLY shouldn't put off the groundwork for the reconciliation too long...and a picnic is a great excuse for it (Yuma and such). We've already done plenty to get started, especially on the Kyoko side of things and we'll be doing that again with our next, presumably imminent visit to her. Now, asking Mami about it...we may want to do that tonight regardless of what we do here with Homu.

tl;dr: Picnic is an opportunity/excuse to set up a meeting under good conditions, we should keep laying groundwork for reconciliation regardless.
 
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Ugolino said:
Counterpoint: the picnic is an opportunity, Yuma will be there, Mami and Kyouko tend to reconcile fairly fast unless Kyokoplomacy or Mami snapping at her happens and we'll be on hand to try and defuse that...and Mami is honestly a bit more dejected than in canon, or TDS. We...kind of tore down her front of being the reliable senior for one... :(

Not that there isn't a risk and that it wouldn't be something we'd handle carefully...but if Homura doesn't think it'll end in disaster, we should still consider it.

Besides, we still have some time before the picnic, and this is just laying the groundwork, right?

Either way, we REALLY shouldn't put off the groundwork for the reconciliation too long...and a picnic is a great excuse for it (Yuma and such).
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Homura doesn't exactly have the best social instincts, in case you haven't noticed. Although asking her could probably help.

How long exactly until the picnic again? If there is enough time then maybe we can pull it off. Rushing and screwing up with this will set us back a long way with both Mami and Kyoko. You do realize this, right? Mami feels very betrayed by Kyoko, and Kyoko definitely will not be happy when she sees Mami in her current state and our role in it. Mami is visibly... not right, so who knows how Kyoko would react. Remember how agitated she got when she just got a hint of what Mami was going through? And we aren't exactly good friends with her right now, even though she doesn't exactly hate or dislike us.
 
As things stand right now, I'm against the picnic thing. While that can change depending on the success and quality of the ground work being laid down, right now the only thing I can see happening is another clusterfuck with our name on it.

So yeah. Groundwork. Lot's and lot's of ground work.

How long exactly until the picnic again?
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Picnic is on Saturday.

It's currently Wednesday around 7:30 pm.
 
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Muramasa said:
As things stand right now, I'm against the picnic thing. While that can change depending on the success and quality of the ground work being laid down, right now the only thing I can see happening is another clusterfuck with our name on it.

So yeah. Groundwork. Lot's and lot's of ground work.
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...The groundwork arguably partially exists at this point- mentioning it to Kyoko, pinging Mami- and is in progress- talking to Mami about asking Kyouko, mentioning there's a picnic to Kyouko and Yuma if we get a go-ahead, running it by Homu. If we're cautious indefinitely, we'll never get anything done and I don't see waiting as helping much for progress on this front. We should take opportunities when they show up rather than constantly ignoring them and turtling.
 
Ugolino said:
...The groundwork arguably partially exists at this point- mentioning it to Kyoko, pinging Mami- and is in progress- talking to Mami about asking Kyouko, mentioning there's a picnic to Kyouko and Yuma if we get a go-ahead, running it by Homu. If we're cautious indefinitely, we'll never get anything done and I don't see waiting as helping much for progress on this front. We should take opportunities when they show up rather than constantly ignoring them and turtling.
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Yes I understand that. Still think you're moving way too goddamn fast, to the point I can't help but see shoehorning Kyouko nearly guaranteed to ruin the whole thing. And that's not what we want.

The groundwork needs to be substantially better then what it is right now. Until then, my opinion remains unchanged. If nothing else, we got work to do.
 
We've got till Saturday? That's plenty of time. We should maybe start working on them. Also, no real problems bringing it up to Homu, so my vote stands, I think.
 
Ugolino said:
If we're cautious indefinitely, we'll never get anything done and I don't see waiting as helping much for progress on this front. We should take opportunities when they show up rather than constantly ignoring them and turtling.
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Being careful with Mami's mental state, especially after all ready traumatizing her with our carelessness today, and not wanting to wreck her relationship with Kyoko even further is suddenly turtling now?

Still, it's perhaps possible to get ready in two days. Provided that we do good at social-fu and don't screw up. Still uncertain about staging a reconciliation after a long and very bad parting in such a social gathering is a smart idea. I guess we'll see. And I'm thinking that we should get Kyoko's thoughts on the matter before even thinking of bringing it up with Mami. We could try and get Mami to open up more on what happened with Kyoko tonight, regardless.

It's not like it's all decided for sure right now, so...

[X] Gadjo
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
While we're forgetting things, let's also remember that antimagic doesn't affect our solid grief, just grief cloud / witchy grief.
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Firnagzen said:
The pulsing, unnatural deadness fades, and you can feel Kirika gathering another one.

The Grief marbles scattered across the ground explode into motion, lurching into the air before lancing directly at Kirika's back like arrows loosed from a bow.
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Firnagzen said:
You, in turn, shift into a long, bounding gait that takes full advantage of your enhanced strength, pushing hard off the ground. You snatch up the marbles of Grief scattered across the ground with your magic, and fling them forward in a vicious hail that carves rents into metal and sends chips of concrete flying. Only a few hit her, though, and at that, only on her broken leg, getting a bubbling snarl from the girl.
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To be more specific, (Kirika's) antimagic seems to disrupt control, not grief. Witchstuff apparently requires ongoing control not to dissipate (or do whatever large concentrations of grief do if left to their own devices, as the case may be), but inert grief is stable enough to just sit around until we regain our powers.
 
I can think of two outcomes to Mami and Kyoko meet.

Kyoko just leaves.
Or there's an explosion.

We can jump in after the fact to twist things to a positive outcome. But either would ruin the picnic that Mami herself suggested as a way of celebrating her new friends.




So if we're groundworking this, what we have to do is:

Be completely upfront with Kyoko that we'd like her to come to our picnic and get along with Mami there. We can't sell it on free food, or the playdate, or anything else.
Then Kyoko has to agree, and we have to trust that she won't blow up or back out.
Then we have to turn around and be completely upfront to Mami, that Kyoko said she'd come. But we think it should only happen if Mami wants Kyoko to be at her picnic. No, nothing has changed with Kyoko's circumstances & practices.
Then Mami has to be completely upfront to us about how she feels about Kyoko, which includes confronting what their disagreement was actually about, and figuring out what parts of their relationship she actually cares about. I think this is a bit easier after what we've put her through, ironically, because part of the reason she's breaking down so much right now is she isn't putting on a front for us.
Then after that's all on the table, she has to admit that despite everything she wants to reconcile anyway, regardless of circumstances.

Then we picnic. And chances are good things blow up anyway.


Basically, if this is going to work,
- Nothing can come as a surprise. To anyone.
- Both of them have to agree ahead of time and understand what they're getting into.
- Both of them have to lower expectations to just meeting cordially. I just know Mami will be hoping desperately that Kyoko shows up and they pick up everything again, but that isn't going to happen. I don't have a good read on what a Kyoko who agrees will expect (I suspect she will initially decline), but I know that again, her expectations won't meet reality.
- It'll be very difficult to mediate between these two if they actually start disagreeing on anything. I suspect we'll basically have to be Mami's Yuma, here.



EDIT: It's worth re-iterating, fuck this up and then recover it, and we'll still have ruined Mami's picnic. Think over the reasons Mami would suggest a picnic, right after lichbombing Doka and Blueberry, and I really doubt she wants magical girl life or her past to come up. That's why I say the venue isn't appropriate. We can still pursue a meeting, but it doesn't have to be at the picnic specifically. It could even be the same weekend.
 
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Shouldn't we mention to Homura that we're concerned about Sasa using her powers to turn us against each other? I mean, she probably knows, but just in case?
 
o3o said:
Can I just say that I love Sabrina's personality?
The way she goes off on the most random tangents is so damn amusing.
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Onmur said:
"Speaking of hugs, need to figure out what to do about the universe."

Gotta love those tangents.
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Firnagzen said:
Tell me that ain't exactly how it went down in this thread.
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We're halping!

noahgab1133 said:
We need a grief cat, or get homura cat ears

then we can truly be sabrina the teenaged witch XD
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... So we hop fly over to Asunaro, snatch Niko and ask her to make us a magical mascot, but one that works this time, if she can somehow let us infuse our powers into it. And have it look like a cat.

Ah, there's already plans for the snatching:
Mister Bad Guy said:
Personally, I recommend just flying in, grabbing the science one and the leader one, and then flying out. Preferably like a giant bird.
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Some updates ago, Mami had broken down, and I felt we needed to hurry up our Mami-helping plans, including reconciling Kyouko and Mami, which included dropping hints in order to ultimately have Kyouko attend the picnic.

Now, I feel that was too hasty. Mami's doing better after having something to focus her mind, and having some time to calm down.

SWB brings up a fantastic point to not try to get Kyouko to attend the picnic: It's Mami's picnic. It's not our 'reconcile Mami & Kyouko' plan.

Seeing this as a 'possibility', trying to make the reconciliation happen out of the picnic, is just us once more taking somebody else's thoughts, ideas, actions, and twisting them into something that'd benefit our purposes, with no actual care for what that person wants. In this case, that's Mami.
 
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