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Since we can read through the past of the thread, Sabrina cannot forget things (barring a server crash), but at any given time Sabrina does not necessarily bring to mind all of the memories that are relevant. Perfect memory, yes. Perfect recall, no.
I read back over some of the conversation around the time that the timestop interrogation session ended and there was definitely a desire to keep Mami in the dark about the severity of Oriko's injuries and the reason that we didn't invite Mami into Timestop in the first place (i.e. so that we could talk freely about things like witches). But nobody said anything about hiding the details about "Feathers" from Mami and we did give her the basic summary. We also didn't tell Mami about the fact that Sabrina is resistant to precognition or the details about the vision about Sayaka's death that Oriko thought she had averted. But we weren't actively hiding them, it's just that they never came up.
Incubator = Kyuubey is probably throwing Mami for a loop, too.
I like this vote, but I do have a couple of suggestions:
1. For Mami's benefit, we should also ask Oriko to describe her previous vision about Sayaka, and how it compares to the current one.
2. We should also explain to Mami that Sabrina can do things that Oriko's precognition cannot predict. Which should be useful for changing the future.
3. We should also explain that Kyuubey is short for Incubator (i.e. the name of his hivemind race).
4. When we talk about the Feather, we should mention that we didn't see one when we created the barrier at the same place earlier today.
5. There are also some good lines from the previous votes that could still be applicable:
-[] Ask for more details on Sayaka's situation. How is the witch endangering her?
--[] Is she okay? Is there anyone else with her?
--[] Is there anyone else involved? Other magical girls?
---[] Are Madoka and Hitomi okay?
-[] Could someone or something be interfering with your visions? Maybe even giving you false ones?
-[] If Sayaka is supposed to be at home, then we should go and see if she's really not there to find out if your visions are still working properly and you're not being deceived.
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I think we have most of a consensus, based on the sincere beliefs of a majority of active posters, that Sabrina does not currently believe she ever made a decision to keep this from people in the same way as e.g. the witchbomb, or not telling Homura about the loop potential stuff, etc.
There was never a good time to bring it up. And as recently as the last couple of votes we thought this was going to be a bad time.
Well. Perfect narrative memory. We've never tried to ask Firnagzen to let us remember something Sabrina should have seen at the time of an update but that wasn't in that update.
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Point. I've taken the liberty of adding that to the vote and trying a slight variation of the line people were worried about. Hopefully comes across as "allies, even if not friends" now.
[x]...I think this might be related to the threat. The one Oriko saw.
[x] Tell Mami about feathers, and how they're linked to the "something bigger than Walpurgisnacht". Say you're sorry for forgetting to tell her before now. Ask if Oriko has anything she wants to add.
[x] Explain to Mami that I am difficult for Oriko to predict, so I should be able to stop her threatening predictions from happening
[x] Explain to Mami that the "Incubators" are Kyuubey's people. "Kyuubey" is an abbreviation.
[x] Ask Oriko to explain her old prediction for Mami's benefit, how it changed and now how it's changed back and what the similarities and differences between the original and current predictions are.
-[x]Ask Oriko about how it truncates and splices the future. What does that even mean? Spliced from what?
--[x] Remind Oriko that we are still able to change this future, so she doesn't need to panic
-[x]We saw a feather earlier, around the same time Oriko did. It appeared under strange circumstances, as we made a barrier before and no feather appeared then, but one appeared this time
--[x] I am not making any more barriers until I have more evidence that it's safe
--[x] I was planning to discuss the feather, but I was confused by it's appearance and didn't think it as urgent
---[x] We can't jump to conclusions as to what this means. For all we know, "Feathers" is a friend trying to protect us from the real enemy.
[x] Ask Oriko: Could someone or something be interfering with your visions? Maybe even giving you false ones?
[x] Sayaka is still our current and most urgent priority.
-[x] Ask for more details on Sayaka's situation. How is the witch endangering her?
--[x] Is she okay? Is there anyone else with her?
--[x] Is there anyone else involved? Other magical girls?
---[x] Are Madoka and Hitomi okay?
-[x] If Sayaka is supposed to be at home, then we should go and see if she's really not there to find out if your visions are still working properly and you're not being deceived.
-[x]Reassurance. Whatever it is, we can stop it, just by knowing it exists. Oriko's given us enough warning to counter it, even if it's interfering with her visions. None of us wants Sayaka or any of our other friends to get hurt. On this at least, we're all on the same page. We can definitely do something about it.
[x]...I think this might be related to the threat. The one Oriko saw.
[x] Tell Mami about feathers, and how they're linked to the "something bigger than Walpurgisnacht". Say you're sorry for forgetting to tell her before now. Ask if Oriko has anything she wants to add.
[x] Explain to Mami that I am difficult for Oriko to predict, so I should be able to stop her threatening predictions from happening
[x] Explain to Mami that the "Incubators" are Kyuubey's people. "Kyuubey" is an abbreviation.
[x] Ask Oriko to explain her old prediction for Mami's benefit, how it changed and now how it's changed back and what the similarities and differences between the original and current predictions are.
-[x]Ask Oriko about how it truncates and splices the future. What does that even mean? Spliced from what?
--[x] Remind Oriko that we are still able to change this future, so she doesn't need to panic
-[x]We saw a feather earlier, around the same time Oriko did. It appeared under strange circumstances, as we made a barrier before and no feather appeared then, but one appeared this time
--[x] I am not making any more barriers until I have more evidence that it's safe
--[x] I was planning to discuss the feather, but I was confused by it's appearance and didn't think it as urgent
---[x] We can't jump to conclusions as to what this means. For all we know, "Feathers" is a friend trying to protect us from the real enemy.
[x] Ask Oriko: Could someone or something be interfering with your visions? Maybe even giving you false ones?
[x] Sayaka is still our current and most urgent priority.
-[x] Ask for more details on Sayaka's situation. How is the witch endangering her?
--[x] Is she okay? Is there anyone else with her?
--[x] Is there anyone else involved? Other magical girls?
---[x] Are Madoka and Hitomi okay?
-[x] If Sayaka is supposed to be at home, then we should go and see if she's really not there to find out if your visions are still working properly and you're not being deceived.
-[x]Reassurance. Whatever it is, we can stop it, just by knowing it exists. Oriko's given us enough warning to counter it, even if it's interfering with her visions. None of us wants Sayaka or any of our other friends to get hurt. On this at least, we're all on the same page. We can definitely do something about it.
Gadjo
Doka
Semantics. You know what I meant. We forgot to tell Mami. When something you remember slips your mind and you don't do it as a result, you say you forgot to, yes?
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[X] Ugolino.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Keep in mind, Kirika broke Homura's Shield. It wasn't permanent, but it hit her... hard, at the time.
Sooo... Ideas time!: Sabrina can't control her magic completely.
Let's suppose the black feathers are simply a (un?)fortunate symptom of Feather's magic like, say, Sayaka's water/music theme.
Let's say that, if Feather's magic was rhinoceros-themed instead, then her blocking future sight would cause Oriko to see an stampede of rhinoceros, instead of a bunch of feathers, and instead of having a feather drop from our Barrier, we'd have gotten a rhinoceros on our heads.
What do I mean with this? That the feathers aren't what's blocking Oriko's sight, but rather Oriko's sight is blocked and the block simply looks like feathers because magic.
And why did we get a feather when we collapsed our Barrier? Because Feather must have used our Barrier somehow, likely as a 'gate' of sorts, in order to mess with things, and the feather was simple an unavoidable hint of Feather's magic being used.
But why didn't we get a feather the first time? Because Feather wasn't ready for it. The first time we made a Barrier, Feather took notice of it, but couldn't act through it in time before we collapsed it. Next time, Feather was ready, and took advantage of our trance to hijack our efforts and fuck around with things, using her own magic through ours.
Here I get to the point:
I raise the idea that Sabrina's power is not entirely her own, but rather, it's hers and Feather's, from the start, which would allow Feather to influence us through our own magic use.Firnagzen said:
Why did I think of this?: Wings. Why do we have wings? We didn't vote for wings. We didn't vote to do anything with the grief we were taking that time; it took the form of wings on its own. While it's possible that it's there just because, rule of cool, Firnagzen doesn't usually write things without meaning, so it might just be a hint.
And that's about it. As an aside, would it be ironic if Sabrina's being manipulated by somebody else? Or would it be anti-ironic, since she's made to be controled? Actually, was Sabrina made for any purpose at all (IC)? First chapter is called unforseen (unforeseen?) consequences, so maybe Sabrina was born as an accident?
Another random thing I found weird while looking for something:
Did we get worse before we got better?Firnagzen said:
[x] Sereg
Honestly, the unnatural behavior I've noticed more from Sabrina is not really expressing emotions like frustration or generally having any vulnerable moments, despite those sorts of feelings often running high in the thread.
Sabrina's pokerfacing worse than Mami on a bad day half the time, so there's that.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
This counting the times she's cried? Been like, two. Doesn't sound like much, but she's been alive for like, 10 days.
And I don't find 'not really expressing emotions' to be unnatural behavior.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Bolded, Italicized, and in a rather striking shade of crimson. We have immense potential, and what? What else do we have? This is a question that needs answering, because it's a plot point. We have to find this out, people.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
... and white hair.
Fits, doesn't it?
Ejem, my idea I posted there is that there's somebody else's potential coupled to our own.
Gadjo
Doka
She doesn't express all of her emotions, sure, but she certainly has them. I mean, look at most of the recent updates. The poor girl's a ball of anxiety.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
That's the "Because", the second [Redacted]. That's the reason for the first two parts of the sentence. I'm worried about the First [Redacted], because it's almost certainly an effect from the second one, which you had a suggestion for, and effects have more immediate effects on us than causes. I want to know what the second [Redacted] is causing, besides our huge potential.
Edit: You know, if you didn't know that I'm actually talking about [Redacted], this post would sound kind of cryptic.
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Nah I think that was just us/Oriko interaction.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Boring. Please, picture in your head Madokami's and Homucifer's panicked reaction when some magick misfires and they end up with a white haired baby in their laps.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I think that the beginning was different than that by a wide margin; how would Adorablebaby!Sabrina go from mom's lap into an alleyway, dressed in civilian clothing and vomiting blood?
The mental image of them both panicking because they accidentally a daughter is adorable, though.
My concern is that the fact that we don't express them makes us less relatable from the perspective of other magical girls.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
On the other side, not expressing our emotions helps sometimes, like earlier when Mami was panicking, and right now when Oriko is panicking and Homura's homura-ing.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
All was going well for Homura, skimpy dress aside, when suddenly...
A white haired baby! Homura's deeply rooted anti-Oriko instincts immediately have her draw bead on the intruder.
Shocked at the sudden apparition and the fact that she's aiming a gun at a baby, Homura murmurs to herself, "Oriko Mikuni... Did you actually reproduce? Do you still taunt me to this day?"
Before she can actually do anything, Madoka, in all her white dressed, panicked gold eyed glory, jumps between the gun and the small child.
"Wait!" She yells, "you can't shoot her!"
Homura blinks. She tries to put words to her feelings but Madoka interrupts her.
"She's... She's..." Madoka flails her arms, not finding the right words. "She's... your daughter!"
Homura tilts her head, eyes narrowed. "What." Her arm drops to her side.
Madoka blushes furiously, "... and mine, too."
"... Explain." Homura draws out the word.
*Five minutes later*
Sabrina, hurriedly left alone in a closed room, plays at making a high tower out of various random, heavy books, with titles such as: 'Introduction to Quantum Mechanics IV', 'Space, time, and gravity', 'Metaphysics and You' and 'No, it's not 42', when a deafening shout rocks the room, making the walls tremble and the tower fall down.
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU ACCIDENTALLY US A BABY!"
Under the pile of scattered books, Sabrina clutches her head in pain.
A white haired baby! Homura's deeply rooted anti-Oriko instincts immediately have her draw bead on the intruder.
Shocked at the sudden apparition and the fact that she's aiming a gun at a baby, Homura murmurs to herself, "Oriko Mikuni... Did you actually reproduce? Do you still taunt me to this day?"
Before she can actually do anything, Madoka, in all her white dressed, panicked gold eyed glory, jumps between the gun and the small child.
"Wait!" She yells, "you can't shoot her!"
Homura blinks. She tries to put words to her feelings but Madoka interrupts her.
"She's... She's..." Madoka flails her arms, not finding the right words. "She's... your daughter!"
Homura tilts her head, eyes narrowed. "What." Her arm drops to her side.
Madoka blushes furiously, "... and mine, too."
"... Explain." Homura draws out the word.
*Five minutes later*
Sabrina, hurriedly left alone in a closed room, plays at making a high tower out of various random, heavy books, with titles such as: 'Introduction to Quantum Mechanics IV', 'Space, time, and gravity', 'Metaphysics and You' and 'No, it's not 42', when a deafening shout rocks the room, making the walls tremble and the tower fall down.
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU ACCIDENTALLY US A BABY!"
Under the pile of scattered books, Sabrina clutches her head in pain.
PhDEevee
Mathematician and Questgiver
- Location
- Sydney
Two times we created a Barrier. Two timepoints to snip away part of the timeline and glue another part in its place. Wanna bet that the events replaced (for Sayaka, at least) corresponds almost exactly to the time between our Barrier creation?
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
If our barrier is related to time shenanigans in any way, I think SystemicHatter has the right of it. It would explain why any such changes aren't arbitrarily infinite in retroactive bullshit.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
The situation was dire indeed. When the trio of magical girls had checked Sayaka's home, they were relieved to find her still there, safe and sound. But when they had checked the industrial area, wary of a trap...
-!
The very same girl, wearing a certain caped outfit.
Sabrina's face turned bone white. "She never contracted, multiple timelines are intersecting. Multiple Sayakas, maybe other girls too. But the only power that affects time..."
A clapping sound, violating the silence of stopped time. And the interloper, blithely ignoring the groups biggest trump card...
Quick on the uptake, aren't you? Still, with what you know, I'd be disappointed if you couldn't guess. You were the keystone, after all.
"W-why are you here?!"
I could ignore the Law of Cycles while it didn't affect Mitakihara, but when it's collapse threatened Madoka... Well. Imagine using adjacent buildings as supports to prop up a collapsing structure, only with universes.
Mami, already stressed, just stared at the newcomer. "H-Homura?!"
She smirked. And, of course, how could I miss the opportunity for familial bonding?
-!
The very same girl, wearing a certain caped outfit.
Sabrina's face turned bone white. "She never contracted, multiple timelines are intersecting. Multiple Sayakas, maybe other girls too. But the only power that affects time..."
A clapping sound, violating the silence of stopped time. And the interloper, blithely ignoring the groups biggest trump card...
Quick on the uptake, aren't you? Still, with what you know, I'd be disappointed if you couldn't guess. You were the keystone, after all.
"W-why are you here?!"
I could ignore the Law of Cycles while it didn't affect Mitakihara, but when it's collapse threatened Madoka... Well. Imagine using adjacent buildings as supports to prop up a collapsing structure, only with universes.
Mami, already stressed, just stared at the newcomer. "H-Homura?!"
She smirked. And, of course, how could I miss the opportunity for familial bonding?
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[q] Point out that she's speaking in purple, which is an optical illusion. Everything she says is an optical illusion, and therefore not real. By extension, she must not be real, so this can't be happening. Proceed to poof away in a puff of irrefutable logic.