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That might have been true for the generic soul gem scanner, but in the case of the soul gem scanner that displays an image of the body, we had a very clear idea of what that was supposed to do. If it had scanned our own soul gem (for instance), then we would have expected it to display a 3D hologram of us.
And for things like the healing rod, we have no idea how it heals things. It isn't a device that enhances our own healing (that's the gauntlets), instead, the rod is a device that does all of the healing by itself. Somehow.
Edit: It shouldn't hurt (and it might help a bit) to do research on how things work and have a clear picture of what we want to accomplish whenever we try to create a new grief device, but that is not the primary factor which determines whether or not it is possible to create them.
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Maybe Madoka-- is misleading. How about, borrowing Ersatz, Onedoka?
Same reason why succeeding in unwitching alone might not necessarily be entirely good thing for this one.
The incubator is always watching.
Learning.
Figuring things out.
And if they figure this out from the betterment, it might mean that things no longer could be fixed.
And that would violate a Wish.
Yes, but she wouldn't know that we're doing that - only that we can cleanse grief - and would desperately want us to remain alive. And witchbomb would mess up most meguca, so she wants us to not get witchbombed.
... Don't stop.
It is a world/person/barrier ruled by mad science. Poorly.
At where part does the limit stop?
Can we inspect the elements it is made up with spectrometer? What about taking a picture with our cell phone?
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Both of the previous two updates ended after our failure to make a soul gem scanner (note that the second attempt was merely a variation of the first scanner without any changes in methodology). And Firnagzen hinted that there was something that we should have learned from the update. This is an important issue (one that is potentially system breaking), and we need to approach the problem in a significantly different way if we want to be able to succeed here. I propose:
[x] Plan to create a soul gem scanner; telepathy Homura and then Oriko. Don't mention particulars, but ask if the experiment we're planning will succeed (this will tell us if Feathers is involved). If Oriko says it would fail, ask if Homura's powers would make a difference.
-[x] If it's not a danger (and it is possible), try again. Infinity gauntlets. Grief interdiction dome. Visualize the purpose and form of the scanner. Use a large clump of witchstuff. Carefully examine what happens to the expended magic.
[x] Plan to create a soul gem scanner; telepathy Homura and then Oriko. Don't mention particulars, but ask if the experiment we're planning will succeed (this will tell us if Feathers is involved). If Oriko says it would fail, ask if Homura's powers would make a difference.
-[x] If it's not a danger (and it is possible), try again. Infinity gauntlets. Grief interdiction dome. Visualize the purpose and form of the scanner. Use a large clump of witchstuff. Carefully examine what happens to the expended magic.
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IA IA HITTING RANDOM KEYS FHTAGN!
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fear the {CENSORED}.
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anyone else think this is similar to that line of code from Freakazoid?
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Well, that's what the cult thought would be a sphere. . . . . . . . . . . . . . interesting. I now began screwing around with a stop in geostationary altitudes, but the Ladder had 100 shafts, and each elevator car was 20 by 20 by 100 meters. Only 20 by the way. The first part was entirely mental illness.
Maybe I've missed a discussion on this, but something has been bugging me for a while: Very few people in this thread seem to want to admit out loud that 'Feathers' is Akuma Homura.
One possible theory on time-travel is that the traveller is actually going to a new universe. If multiple universes exist, then it stands to reason that there is at least one other universe where a separate, distinct Akemi Homura started looping in an attempt to save Kaname Madoka; Homura's Double, to borrow a term from Sliders. And we can suspect that other universes do exist in this setting from PMMM Episode 11 - Madoka's potential is flowing in from all the timelines tied to her by Homura.
If other universes exist, then it's perfectly possible for the events of Rebellion to have already taken place in one of them, and 'Feathers' is almost certainly such a Double.
At some point, it needs to be asked:
[] "Hey, Homura, was Kyousuke ever a guitarist in any of the timelines you've been through?"
Or, if we're not sure if somebody is listening in:
[] "Hey, Homura, I don't want to go into any details right now, but have you ever heard about a young guitarist who lost the use of a hand to an injury? Not a violinist, a guitarist?"
If Homura remembers Kyousuke being a guitarist in any timeline she's been to, that's proof positive of multiple universes - that is, it's a change in the starting conditions that Homura's arrival could not have been responsible for. We could prevent, preempt, nullify or make irrelevant the events of Rebellion, but since we would be doing that in this timeline, it would not stop Akuma Homura from already existing somewhere else.
TL;DR:
If Homura remembers Kyousuke being a guitarist, then another Homura in another universe has already become Akuma.
One possible theory on time-travel is that the traveller is actually going to a new universe. If multiple universes exist, then it stands to reason that there is at least one other universe where a separate, distinct Akemi Homura started looping in an attempt to save Kaname Madoka; Homura's Double, to borrow a term from Sliders. And we can suspect that other universes do exist in this setting from PMMM Episode 11 - Madoka's potential is flowing in from all the timelines tied to her by Homura.
If other universes exist, then it's perfectly possible for the events of Rebellion to have already taken place in one of them, and 'Feathers' is almost certainly such a Double.
At some point, it needs to be asked:
[] "Hey, Homura, was Kyousuke ever a guitarist in any of the timelines you've been through?"
Or, if we're not sure if somebody is listening in:
[] "Hey, Homura, I don't want to go into any details right now, but have you ever heard about a young guitarist who lost the use of a hand to an injury? Not a violinist, a guitarist?"
If Homura remembers Kyousuke being a guitarist in any timeline she's been to, that's proof positive of multiple universes - that is, it's a change in the starting conditions that Homura's arrival could not have been responsible for. We could prevent, preempt, nullify or make irrelevant the events of Rebellion, but since we would be doing that in this timeline, it would not stop Akuma Homura from already existing somewhere else.
TL;DR:
If Homura remembers Kyousuke being a guitarist, then another Homura in another universe has already become Akuma.
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Except that either way, Homura'd have experienced the guitar incident as per canon?
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Multiple Universes existing is not the same as "every possible Universe" existing. It's not a conformation of Akuma Homura existing. In fact, Madokami's omniversal nature means that the one we saw is the only one that can exist, meaning that the likelihood of Akuma Homura is incredibly low, even with multiple universes.
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We do what we do for science.
AND KITTENS!I love you. I then moved to experimenting with Tachyons specially produced to move at 200,000 c. While this technically, 89, 97. I then moved to Venus. Each of the gas and food. I was tempted to call me a call. Thanks for the foreseeable, and a sensor range of 2 : Starcraft ( one of the more you rate, and a contract to be the Jovian LLeague's, I am a beautiful, and Terraformer intervention. . If you want, but I couldn't let you move your limbs. The only one
AND KITTENS!I love you. I then moved to experimenting with Tachyons specially produced to move at 200,000 c. While this technically, 89, 97. I then moved to Venus. Each of the gas and food. I was tempted to call me a call. Thanks for the foreseeable, and a sensor range of 2 : Starcraft ( one of the more you rate, and a contract to be the Jovian LLeague's, I am a beautiful, and Terraformer intervention. . If you want, but I couldn't let you move your limbs. The only one
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False. Madoka's ascension retroactively effected the entire Omniverse and made witches ontologically impossible, and this is necessary for Homucifer to be a thing.
Granted, there's nothing against Homucifer pulling a "I didn't, but that doesn't change that I did" thing, and reaching backwards in meta-retcon-time.
Firnagzen already confirmed that Kyousuke was a guitarist in one of the loops:
So the multiversal nature of PMAS is all-but-confirmed. However, the canon events of PMMM are confirmed not to have happened (specifically, Homura was never Madoka-potential-bombed by Kyuubey and Madoka made a different wish, thus ensuring that Rebellion never happened).
The straightforward understanding of events is that instead of wishing to destroy all witches, Madoka wished for something along the lines of "fix everything" and at some point after that, Homura looped. Details are unclear (and we have not asked Homura to tell us what actually happened), but Sabrina's creation was probably a result of this wish. If this is the case, then Homucifer never existed in the PMAS multiverse. According to a snippet of questionable canonicity, Madokami did exist for a short time, but she caused herself to be removed from existence (probably because of the time travel shenanigans).
However, another possibility is that all of the events of PMMM and Rebellion occurred as shown in canon and then Madokami or Homucifer caused time to reset again and wiped Homura's memory and replaced it with a false memory of a wish that never actually happened. If this is the case, then Homucifer may exist and may be behind "Feathers", but her motivations for doing so would be unknown. If this is the case then either there are two versions of Homura running around, or else Homucifer created "Feathers" as some sort of automated system before her memories were wiped.
Yet another possibility is that there are multiple looping versions of Homura who share this multiverse and the one we know is the one who saw Madoka make the "fix everything" wish, while the one who turned into Homucifer is in a separate universe but is capable of affecting this one due to dimensional shenanigans. This explanation would require that Madokami was unable to destroy the witches in this universe, but that Homucifer was still be able to reach it, which seems unlikely.
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Alright.
Something else I've thought of:
[] Examine own body for health problems.
- [] Try to figure out what exactly we were dying from when we woke up in that alley way in front of Madoka, Sayaka and Kyuubey.
- [] Do not, by any means, insert or create a black, long pinioned feather in our chest.
- [jk] Remove a black, long pinioned feather from our chest.
Stop: DON'T CRY FOR ME SV-INA
don't cry for me sv-ina
Righto, enough of this (literal) nonsense. Have a quick break from this thread.
Gadjo
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What do you mean, we don't want to admit it? As of right now it's our only theory for what the black feathers is other than "we have no idea". Also, that question would tell us nothing about what the black feathers is. Think we'll have to wait for more clues if we intend to zero in on what it is.
I agree. Which is why I want to actively look for more clues on the nature of the black feathers. It is possible that the thing which is blocking us from creating a soul gem scanner is the same thing that is blocking Oriko's visions. The two things might not be connected, but it's easy enough to test the hypothesis by talking to Oriko right now.
It would also be good to talk to Oriko to find out what she has seen lately with respect to the unknown future threat. Our actions over the last few days (especially with the Sendai conflict) have changed a ton of things, but we haven't yet asked her how they have changed, especially with respect to the "Feathers" vision blocking and the future threat.
Gadjo
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But... how would talking to Oriko give us information on the black feathers if the black feathers block her visions? It's not too crazy to say that we can't do what we were trying to do because of the black feathers, but I don't think there's much we can do to investigate at the moment.
If we plan to do the experiment of creating the soul gem scanner and Oriko looks at that point in time, then she will either see the normal result of the experiment or else she will see feathers. If she sees feathers, then we will know that the two are connected, which would mean that we have one more way to find out what that threat is and we won't have to rely on Oriko for all of the knowledge about it.
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Maybe, maybe not. Remember that correlation does not mean causation.