[X] Muse aloud about how you've kinda thought about hiring her to serve as a diplomat of sorts to other groups, but since you'd give her a clear seed and clean her soul gem anyway, the only thing you'd really have to pay her with is "borrowed" yakuza gold, and that's not any fun.
We also have cash. And we can sell the gold for more.

I think this can be better, and more simply, phrased.

[ ] Would she be interested in working for us full-time in exchange for a Clear Seed?

Uh... that's a little metagamey. Why would this be relevant to Nadia?
There is no "metagamey" in PMAS. We have explicit access to metaknowledge. It's possible that Mikoto is one of the magical girls that Nadia has met in her travels. It's no less likely than her knowing Mami. If anything, it's more likely, since Mikoto is an unusually old and long-lived magical girl.

[X] Drop a privacy device, tweak it to not filter telepathy. Explain purpose.
Wouldn't this cause us to suddenly be surrounded by a pitch black dome in the middle of a café?
 
There is no "metagamey" in PMAS. We have explicit access to metaknowledge. It's possible that Mikoto is one of the magical girls that Nadia has met in her travels. It's no less likely than her knowing Mami. If anything, it's more likely, since Mikoto is an unusually old and long-lived magical girl.

Well yeah, metagaming isn't really a thing for us. But at the same time, I find it a little hard to believe Nadia would be keeping track of certain veteran magical girls without good reason.
 
"You're mad," Nadia says, folding her arms. "This city will be drowned in magical girls."

"I know," you say. You can't help but notice the way Homura's attention snaps to Bennouna. "And that's... mmm, that's acceptable, more or less. And I know there's going to be problems. Upsetting power structures, people abusing magic, that kind of thing. Actually, what's the biggest magical girl organisation you know of?"

(cut)

"Huh," you say. "That's interesting. Anyway, mm... for my part, I'd like to ask you to spread the information to magical girls who you judge are reasonable. I mean, that's what you do, right?"

Nadia throws her head back and laughs. "Yes, it is," she says. "You're mad. Mami, is this what you want?"

It might be worthwhile to ask more about this specifically. Are there specific magical girls Nadia knows about right now who are in a lot of trouble and might consider taking a blind leap of faith based on an incredible story to be better than whatever situation they're in right now?
 
Sayaka isn't JusticeBot9000. :p
Of course not, she would never settle for being an outdated model like that :p
[X] who is the oldest magical girl and how long has she lived?
Clarisse van Rossum

Honestly, the potential answers to this get more intriguing the more I think about it.


A slightly tweaked version of @Godwinson 's. If we're using telepathy, there really isn't a point to the privacy field, as it's not guarenteedly hidden from Kyubey then and there isn't really anything sensitive here. Yes, information security says you should stop any information leaks you can regardless of if you can understand how they can be used (especially vs superintelligences like Kyubey), but our lifestyle makes that unavoidable and there's no particular purpose here. SImilarly, added in Aranfan's vote because it sounds interesting.
[X] in no particular order
-[X] Any way we can contact her? Telepathy is too Kyubey.
-[X] The general news?
-[X] Soul manipulator/s?
-[X] Any groups of Meguca in particular that might end up being a problem once word gets out
-[X] Enchantments! Where, who, how, enchanting is a big big deal!
-[X] Ask about anyone with decent morals with interesting (as have been fairly well defined over the course of the thread) powers
-[X] Anyone with sufficient power behind them who would be interested in fighting a city-destroying witch in exchange for lifetime cleansing and some cake
-[X] Asunaro. Does anyone here know anything about it?
-[X] who is the oldest magical girl and how long has she lived?
-[X] Muse aloud about how you've kinda thought about hiring her to serve as a diplomat of sorts to other groups, but since you'd give her a clear seed and clean her soul gem anyway, the only thing you'd really have to pay her with is "borrowed" yakuza gold, and that's not any fun.
--[X] That reminds you, you should tell Sayaka about the mop.
 
> When you realize alredy asking about Asunaro



Should we privacy some/all of this?

Also, I think we may get a better deal via being a bit more general.

[X] Drop a privacy device, tweak it to not filter telepathy. Explain purpose.
[X] in no particular order
-[X] Any way we can contact her? Telepathy is too Kyubey.
-[X] The general news?
-[X] Soul manipulator/s?
-[X] Any groups of Meguca in particular that might end up being a problem once word gets out
-[X] Enchantments! Where, who, how, enchanting is a big big deal!
-[X] Ask about anyone with decent morals with interesting (as have been fairly well defined over the course of the thread) powers
-[X] Anyone with sufficient power behind them who would be interested in fighting a city-destroying witch in exchange for lifetime cleansing and some cake
-[X] Asunaro. Does anyone here know anything about it?
-[X] Muse aloud about how you've kinda thought about hiring her to serve as a diplomat of sorts to other groups, but since you'd give her a clear seed and clean her soul gem anyway, the only thing you'd really have to pay her with is "borrowed" yakuza gold, and that's not any fun.
--[X] That reminds you, you should tell Sayaka about the mop.

Please keep in mind that we're in public and the privacy field generator is hella obvious, and that creating a griefhax device requires spending up to 30 minutes in a nonresponsive trance.

Also, my vote's already a pretty general statement of intent. The point isn't "be short for the sake of being short", it's "don't micromanage".
 
Warning: Warning
...Can someone else please tell this person what not testing anti-walpurgisnacht things, That have a unknown damage to fallout ratio, counts as? I feel like i might get banned for making that report.


Oh god. You are one of those "You can't win that way because i say so" people aren't you? One of those people who are just born Doylists? He wants anti-entropy material. And if you want to tell me more then that you should be ready for me to open a can of Carl Sagan on your ass.
warning You won't ever be banned for making a report, even if it's wrong, but you may get yourself an infraction if you publicly threaten to report people. Please don't do it. I'm also seeing you getting a bit more confrontational here than is really needed. I also see you spaghetti-quoting @Ralathon in your next post. Please try to tone that down a notch, it could get you into trouble and generally makes it harder to have a productive discussion.

Thanks for your time.
 
If it doesn't filter telepathy, it doesn't block KB.

... What's the point of this, then?

Uh, shouldn't it still conceal any non-telepathy conversation?

Please keep in mind that we're in public and the privacy field generator is hella obvious, and that creating a griefhax device requires spending up to 30 minutes in a nonresponsive trance.

Also, my vote's already a pretty general statement of intent. The point isn't "be short for the sake of being short", it's "don't micromanage".

Point the first: right. I still feel this would be worth concealing from QB if at all possible, it says a lot about our long and short term plans. Dk we have an alternative?

Point the second: you're not wrong.

Gotta run bbl
 
Yeah, creating energy ex nihilo is kinda the whole point.


Also something something about your own personal suffering.

...

[Q] Want the news? Bitch, I am the news, fimti?

As another complication to entropy, adding energy to the system, like by creating it ex nihilo, speads up the expansion rate.

Edit:

I had to look up QTessaracts name, as I don't think the new system would count "^Railgun" as a vote for a member that has Misaka as their avatar.

[X] ^QTesseract
 
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Vote edited to add the question about the oldest magical girl.

Seriously, though, the point of Firn's request wasn't "short votes" it was "statement of purpose" votes.
 
Proposed addition to the question list:

[] Ask if there's any way to set up a system where we'd freely refresh Grief Seeds for any girl who has used ones, rather than giving them to Kyubey.
-[] You see, I have an interest in further research into Grief Seeds and Clear Seeds that makes me very interested in having them stay on Earth, and not letting the evil bunny take them away.
 
Proposed addition to the question list:

[] Ask if there's any way to set up a system where we'd freely refresh Grief Seeds for any girl who has used ones, rather than giving them to Kyubey.
-[] You see, I have an interest in further research into Grief Seeds and Clear Seeds that makes me very interested in having them stay on Earth, and not letting the evil bunny take them away.
That's something I'm wanting to bring up in the next update, after we get these questions asked -- it's why I'm asking about teleporters and such.
 
Vote edited to add the question about the oldest magical girl.

Seriously, though, the point of Firn's request wasn't "short votes" it was "statement of purpose" votes.

I didn't draw my revision to shorten it, I drew it because I felt that by generalizing we could potentially end up asking questions we might like to ask but haven't thought of. It's a low chance, of course, I admit, but my main train of thought was along the lines of "well if we take asking about these specific powers and make it asking about powers we're interested in maybe we'll pick up something extra?"

Again, low degree of importance, I admit.
 
And people were worried that Nadia wouldn't know about Soul Gems. Seriously, she's an information broker that travels the world, she knows her stuff. Hell, she's probably been witchbombed already. Actually, we need to make sure that she doesn't think that Mami has been witchbombed.
It seemed obvious to me from the story that she both knows the witchbomb and knows that Mami does not know it:
"Yeah," Sayaka says, jaw tight. "We all know about our Soul Gems."

Madoka nods, twisting her fingers against each other.

"Mmm," Nadia says, making a peculiar, slashing gesture with her fingers and palm flat. "I understand. Shall we continue?"

You blow out a breath, glancing at Homura. Ironically, she seems the most settled out of all of you, eyes flickering over to you a second. She nods infinitesimally before returning her attention to watching Madoka and scanning the area.
Sayaka and Madoka and Mami know about soul gems, Nadia and Sabrina and Homura know that there's more to it than that.

[] Drop a privacy device, tweak it to not filter telepathy. Explain purpose.
Nadia's purpose is to spread information. A privacy device is kind of self-defeating.

Proposed addition to the question list:

[] Ask if there's any way to set up a system where we'd freely refresh Grief Seeds for any girl who has used ones, rather than giving them to Kyubey.
-[] You see, I have an interest in further research into Grief Seeds and Clear Seeds that makes me very interested in having them stay on Earth, and not letting the evil bunny take them away.
I like the general idea, but I think we can convey the intent more clearly without reference to Kyuubey by asking the following:
-[] Since many girls will be unwilling to travel to Mitakihara, does Nadia have any thoughts on we could setup a courier service for girls to send grief seeds to be cleansed/cleared and then returned?

Starting from Godwinson's vote
[X] In no particular order:
-[X] Hey, does she have a cell number, or an email address you can reach her at?
-[X] Ask her about magical girl current events. Anything interesting? Anything potentially dangerous looming?
-[X] Ask about the oldest magical girl she's heard of, and how old is she.
-[X] Ask about magical girls whose magic allows them to manipulate the soul. You have a source who indicated one would be coming here soon, and you want to know more about them, if possible.
-[X] Ask about magical girl groups that are particularly large, powerful, influential, or nasty. You know you're going to cause some waves with your offer of cleansing and clear seeds, so you want to know about groups that might cause issues.
-[X] Ask if she made all the enchanted items on her, or if she purchased them, and if the latter, how does she keep them charged.
-[X] Ask her if she knows of any magical girls who are fluent in Japanese, are decent people, and have any of the following powers:
--[X] Long-range teleportation or portals.
--[X] Any sort of danger sense that can be used to find threats to other people before the occur.
--[X] The ability to enhance or amplify the magic of others.
--[X] The ability to protect the minds of others from being tampered with.
--[X] High-end healing abilities.
-[X] Ask if she knows any magical girls who might be willing to travel to Mitakihara to fight a city-destroying witch. There'll be free cleansings and maybe a fabulous cake!
-[X] Ask if she knows anything about the magical girls in Asunaro. It's a silly place, but you think you need to know. For reasons.
-[X] Ask if she knows anything else that might be useful to know for a girl who wants to help people.
[X] Muse aloud about how you've kinda thought about hiring her to serve as a diplomat of sorts to other groups, but since you'd give her a clear seed and clean her soul gem anyway, the only thing you'd really have to pay her with is "borrowed" yakuza gold, and that's not any fun.
-[X] That reminds you, you should tell Sayaka about the mop.

Adding some topics from Vebyast:
-[X] You also wanted to try setting up a forum or IRC or similar for magical girls worldwide. Helpful for disputes, forming treaties and defense agreements, airing out disagreements in a context that can't escalate to violence immediately, getting in contact with you, lots of stuff.
-[X] While you're on the topic, tell her about the part where you think you can be anywhere on the planet in six hours. Maybe you can fly her to her next destination!

And some of my own:
-[X] Mention Sabrina's unique karmic potential as an explanation for her unique abilities. Hopefully this will help reassure people who hear about Sabrina and think that it's too good to be true.
-[X] Ask about the organizational structure of the larger groups. If we're going to have a lot of girls in Mitakihara, we need to know how to organize them without chaos.
-[X] Since many girls will be unwilling to travel to Mitakihara, does Nadia have any thoughts on we could setup a courier service for girls to send grief seeds to be cleansed/cleared and then returned?
-[X] Inform her about the Ishinomaki conflict.
-[X] Trade knowledge about Walpurgisnacht.
 
Proposed addition to the question list:

[] Ask if there's any way to set up a system where we'd freely refresh Grief Seeds for any girl who has used ones, rather than giving them to Kyubey.
-[] You see, I have an interest in further research into Grief Seeds and Clear Seeds that makes me very interested in having them stay on Earth, and not letting the evil bunny take them away.

That's something I'm wanting to bring up in the next update, after we get these questions asked -- it's why I'm asking about teleporters and such.

If we're going to ask these sorts of things we need to either do it under privacy or throw away the entire idea of doing things under privacy. That's nothing less than a declaration of war and an implication of a large degree of metaknowledge.

I strongly suggest that if we intend to continue trying to keep things from QB via privacy devices we should somehow enforce privacy for much of this conversation.

I am not, however, strictly committed to the idea that we should be continuing to try to keep things from QB via privacy. That is an open question for me. The sole purpose of this post is to make clear my opinion that not conducting some of the voted elements of this conversation under privacy will compromise us to a degree where we shouldn't bother with privacy afterwards except to conceal knowledge of events that have not and will not occur IC*.

* -- (because Kyubey has no way of knowing that we know about Rebellion, or even hypothesizing that we know about Rebellion, unless we talk about it outside of privacy, whereas hinting at some metaknowledge outside of privacy is sufficient for him to extrapolate to us knowing other metaknowledge about things that he can observe)
 
If we're going to ask these sorts of things we need to either do it under privacy or throw away the entire idea of doing things under privacy. That's nothing less than a declaration of war and an implication of a large degree of metaknowledge.

I strongly suggest that if we intend to continue trying to keep things from QB via privacy devices we should somehow enforce privacy for much of this conversation.

I am not, however, strictly committed to the idea that we should be continuing to try to keep things from QB via privacy. That is an open question for me. The sole purpose of this post is to make clear my opinion that not conducting some of the voted elements of this conversation under privacy will compromise us to a degree where we shouldn't bother with privacy afterwards except to conceal knowledge of events that have not and will not occur IC*.

* -- (because Kyubey has no way of knowing that we know about Rebellion, or even hypothesizing that we know about Rebellion, unless we talk about it outside of privacy, whereas hinting at some metaknowledge outside of privacy is sufficient for him to extrapolate to us knowing other metaknowledge about things that he can observe)

Aaaaaaaand I no longer agree with this. Consider it withdrawn. There are other tactical conerns for which privacy is an asset and the strategic concerns I was thinking about are all shot long before now lol
 
As another complication to entropy, adding energy to the system, like by creating it ex nihilo, speads up the expansion rate.
Wouldn't that only be the case if you added it as dark energy? Which isn't the kind of energy you'd want if you were reversing entropy, I'd think.

(It actually would make total sense for the Incubators to be responsible for dark energy because they wanted to prevent the Big Crunch, but that would presumably have been a separate, earlier project that made this one necessary. Heat-death is only an issue if the universe doesn't have a limited lifespan.)
 
[X] In no particular order:
-[X] Hey, does she have a cell number, or an email address you can reach her at?
-[X] Ask her about magical girl current events. Anything interesting? Anything potentially dangerous looming?
-[X] Ask about the oldest magical girl she's heard of, and how old is she.
-[X] Ask about magical girls whose magic allows them to manipulate the soul. You have a source who indicated one would be coming here soon, and you want to know more about them, if possible.
-[X] Ask about magical girl groups that are particularly large, powerful, influential, or nasty. You know you're going to cause some waves with your offer of cleansing and clear seeds, so you want to know about groups that might cause issues.
-[X] Ask if she made all the enchanted items on her, or if she purchased them, and if the latter, how does she keep them charged.
-[X] Ask her if she knows of any magical girls who are fluent in Japanese, are decent people, and have any of the following powers:
--[X] Long-range teleportation or portals.
--[X] Any sort of danger sense that can be used to find threats to other people before the occur.
--[X] The ability to enhance or amplify the magic of others.
--[X] The ability to protect the minds of others from being tampered with.
--[X] High-end healing abilities.
-[X] Ask if she knows any magical girls who might be willing to travel to Mitakihara to fight a city-destroying witch. There'll be free cleansings and maybe a fabulous cake!
-[X] Ask if she knows anything about the magical girls in Asunaro. It's a silly place, but you think you need to know. For reasons.
-[X] Ask if she knows anything else that might be useful to know for a girl who wants to help people.
[X] Muse aloud about how you've kinda thought about hiring her to serve as a diplomat of sorts to other groups, but since you'd give her a clear seed and clean her soul gem anyway, the only thing you'd really have to pay her with is "borrowed" yakuza gold, and that's not any fun.
-[X] That reminds you, you should tell Sayaka about the mop.
 
-Are we sure we want to joke about the yakuza gold/mop/etc.? We were putting a pretty big emphasis on professionalism earlier.
-Why are we asking about healers/teleporters? Rin and Yuma are both healer-spec, and Sakura is a teleporter (whose range iirc is limited only by windup time and magic, the latter of which is almost a nonissue for us)
 
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