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boonerunner said:
I find the idea of "keeping things from people for their own safety" to be reprehensible unless it is a very specific situation where the knowledge is known to cause specific harm (e.g. Mami and the witchbomb - and even that should be a question of how and when to tell her rather than hiding it from her forever). Is Madoka compassionate and likely to feel bad when she realizes the full extent of the situation? Yes. Is she going to make a stupid wish because of it? No. Have a little trust in the girl who has proven to be the most stable of all of us. Madoka's safety can be ensured by telling her more (witchbomb, time loops, Kriemhild Gretchen), not by hiding things from her.

Deceptive.
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Deceptive works pretty well.

We're not keeping things from her, we're just going into less detail. We went to X, there was a fight instead of we went to x, 17 people died it was horrifying to have to beat that many meguca into submission. We're agreed that telling her more would be a good idea (given that Mami is out of the firing line and Homura agrees, Madoka can't be relied upon to keep the witch bomb from Mami successfully if pressed) but for rather different reasons. I have no doubt Homura has told her the full situation many times, but still not managed to stop her contracting. She may be stable but she is also heavily self-sacrificing. Kriemhild Gretchen is the only thing that would guarantee she never, ever contracts and it should be in our longterm plans to let her know. Witchbomb and time loops knowledge I'm less sure about: they might make her go Madokami on us.
 
There's good reason not to layer on the trauma attached to our arm right now. Ultimately, for those who are already magical girls, magic needs to end up perceived as a good thing despite having unreasonable costs. This is doubly so for Mami specifically, whose entire perception of magic is tainted by its association with Kyubey. It isn't just a matter of her already knowing either. How things are said affects everyone regardless of what is said

I'll remind you that the fewer traumatic reminders Mami has every damn day, the faster she'll improve. That was confirmed by GM earlier in the thread.

We don't need to moderate too much. It's easy to present the costs of magic as far too high. We don't and can't afford to sledgehammer the bad either.
 
[x] Hitomi, there's something we've been meaning to tell you. Mami, Homura and I are magical girls.
-[x] Demonstrate by bringing a couple of grief marbles and playing with them by hovering and rotating them around each other. If she can't see the grief, pick up some pebbles and demonstrate with those.
-[x] Magical girls are not like the shows you see on TV.
-[x] We fight witches who are reality warping horrors that kill people.
-[x] Normal people cannot see witches, so the fight is in secret, and nobody ever knows about the girls who fight to protect them.
-[x] Sometimes the witches kill the magical girls who try to stop them.
-[x] Girls who are killed by witches usually have their bodies destroyed and no one ever finds out what happened to them.
-[x] The life expectancy of a magical girl is generally short (probably less than a year, Mami would know better).
-[x] We were tricked into a contract by a deceptive ancient alien hiding behind the form of a fuzzy telepathic mutant cat thing.
-[x] Our souls are removed and kept in gems which power our magic.
-[x] Magic use and negative emotions cause the soul gem to accumulate grief, which in turn directly affects the happiness and sanity of the bearer.
-[x] People generally use grief seeds (obtained from witches) to remove grief from their soul gems, but sometimes they have difficulty finding enough seeds to get enough cleansing.
-[x] If grief fills up the gem, then the girl dies.
-[x] Still, it's not all bad. We three are stronger and luckier than most. My power lets me control grief and cleanse gems directly. And magic has healing properties.
[x] Today I was hoping to try healing Kyousuke. Mami, Homura, would you like to lend a hand? It shouldn't take long.
[x] Come on, I'll heal that arm of yours while we walk the rest of the way to the hospital.
[x] We or Mami field questions about magical girls.

aka plan boonerunner

I like it
 
Then maybe add a conditional line for either letting others have a say or interrupt for a reaction vote if Hitomi seems like she is getting overwhelmed somewhere in the middle of the vote?
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
There's good reason not to layer on the trauma attached to our arm right now. Ultimately, for those who are already magical girls, magic needs to end up perceived as a good thing despite having unreasonable costs. This is doubly so for Mami specifically, whose entire perception of magic is tainted by its association with Kyubey. It isn't just a matter of her already knowing either. How things are said affects everyone regardless of what is said

I'll remind you that the fewer traumatic reminders Mami has every damn day, the faster she'll improve. That was confirmed by GM earlier in the thread.

We don't need to moderate too much. It's easy to present the costs of magic as far too high. We don't and can't afford to sledgehammer the bad either.
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This isn't further traumatizing Mami (uncomfortable to bring up that Kyubey's a monster and contracting is bad? Yes, she knows. Sayaka and Madoka are there too.) and it's amazing how much you're stretching what's pretty much just the facts of meguca life they already know.

That complaint makes no sense at all given that we're covering pretty much the fundamentals of the setting and sugarcoating it already.

techsy730 said:
Then maybe add a conditional line for either letting others have a say or interrupt for a reaction vote if Hitomi seems like she is getting overwhelmed somewhere in the middle of the vote?
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I don't see SWB's objections as being helpful or worth making changes for, pretty sure they'd interrupt anyway?
 
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[x] Shape some grief into a booklet.
[x] Title: "Magical Girls for Dummies"
[x] Contents: Introduction, Kyuubey, Wishes, Powers, Soul Gems, Witches, Etcetera.
[x] Keep it Wikipedia-neutral. Exclude information Mami doesn't know.

Easier for her to absorb it at her own pace this way, and works on its own as a demonstration of magic.
 
Ugolino said:
This isn't further traumatizing Mami (uncomfortable to bring up that Kyubey's a monster and contracting is bad? Yes, she knows. Sayaka and Madoka are there too.) and it's amazing how much you're stretching what's pretty much just the facts of meguca life they already know.
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Knowing and describing are different things. I bring this up because Mami obviously gets nervous whenever we tread close to difficult topics, despite already knowing about them. Hell, this is pointed out in the narration of the last few updates explicitly. So the evidence is firmly stacked against you here.
 
Torgamous said:
[x] Shape some grief into a booklet.
[x] Title: "Magical Girls for Dummies"
[x] Contents: Introduction, Kyuubey, Wishes, Powers, Soul Gems, Witches, Etcetera.
[x] Keep it Wikipedia-neutral. Exclude information Mami doesn't know.

Easier for her to absorb it at her own pace this way, and works on its own as a demonstration of magic.
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I'm not sure if that's funny or brilliant.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Knowing and describing are different things. I bring this up because Mami obviously gets nervous whenever we tread close to difficult topics, despite already knowing about them. Hell, this is pointed out in the narration of the last few updates explicitly. So the evidence is firmly stacked against you here.
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And you're quite cheerfully ignoring the fact that we need to tell her about the facts, that Mami's well aware of these facts, and we're bringing them up in a way that's already glossing over some of the worse parts. But don't let me interrupt your nitpick session.

Is Mami going to be uncomfortable talking about this at all? Yes, that's a given. Are we going to get out of talking about it because of that? No, especially given the compulsion to make the magic talk a group session and the fact our hand's just been forced. Trying to avoid talking about vital information when she needs to know what magic and contracting really mean makes no sense and comes off as complaining for complaining's sake rather than a valid argument.
 
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Torgamous said:
[x] Shape some grief into a booklet.
[x] Title: "Magical Girls for Dummies"
[x] Contents: Introduction, Kyuubey, Wishes, Powers, Soul Gems, Witches, Etcetera.
[x] Keep it Wikipedia-neutral. Exclude information Mami doesn't know.

Easier for her to absorb it at her own pace this way, and works on its own as a demonstration of magic.
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If our grief could keep its "form" outside of our range, I might of actually voted for this.

Nevertheless, preparing such a book/pamphlet/whatever (out of "real" materials, of course) might be a nifty idea in the future, for others we reveal this to and a good guide for potentials to get a properly informed view of what they are getting into.
 
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Torgamous said:
[x] Shape some grief into a booklet.
[x] Title: "Magical Girls for Dummies"
[x] Contents: Introduction, Kyuubey, Wishes, Powers, Soul Gems, Witches, Etcetera.
[x] Keep it Wikipedia-neutral. Exclude information Mami doesn't know.

Easier for her to absorb it at her own pace this way, and works on its own as a demonstration of magic.
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This is the best comedy idea someone has ever had. Maybe put a line at the start instead of silently handing her a book. But I like it.
 
techsy730 said:
If our grief could keep its "form" outside of our range, I might of actually voted for this.

Nevertheless, preparing such a book/pamphlet/whatever (out of "real" materials, of course) might be a nifty idea in the future, for others we reveal this to and a good guide for potentials to get a properly informed view of what they are getting into.
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With a bottle of ink and some paper we could make a grief printing press now that I think about it. Making a real one later wouldn't be hard.
 
Ugolino said:
And you're quite cheerfully ignoring the fact that we need to tell her about the facts, that Mami's well aware of these facts, and we're bringing them up in a way that's already glossing over some of the worse parts. But don't let me interrupt your nitpick session.
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I'll cheerfully nitpick away while the nits remain important.

Did you read what I said? Where I repeatedly acknowledge that Mami knows? Nothing you say here is relevant to what I actually posted. Please stop strawmanning.
 
techsy730 said:
If our grief could keep its "form" outside of our range, I might of actually voted for this.
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She's going to be in our range for a while.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
This is the best comedy idea someone has ever had. Maybe put a line at the start instead of silently handing her a book. But I like it.
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Something like this?

[x] "No, you're right. There's something we need to tell you, but it's hard to know where to start..."
[x] "I know!"
[x] Shape some grief into a booklet.
[x] Title: "Magical Girls for Dummies"
[x] Contents: Introduction, Kyuubey, Wishes, Powers, Soul Gems, Witches, Etcetera.
[x] Keep it Wikipedia-neutral. Exclude information Mami doesn't know.
 
Mami knows, it needs to be said, we can't and shouldn't try and censor everything for no gain when we've already presented it in fairly neutral terms, so your "important" suggestion doesn't add anything.

In short, you're arguing about something that doesn't matter to the vote and doesn't change anything regarding it. Mami gets nervous when we bring up the facts. We need to bring up the facts and are doing so without piling on the trauma. What was the point of that particular observation since mollycoddling her isn't going to change that this stuff needs to get said?

There's a difference between "doesn't like it "and "MUH TRIGGERZ" and the current version of the vote isn't going to cause the kind of result you're fearmongering. "Coming on too strong" makes no sense whatsoever as an objection to the vote in its current form.
 
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And here's my version.


[x] Busted~
[x] "Um... Yeah, sorry about us acting funny. There is something but... maybe we should go somewhere a bit more private?"
[x] Telepathy Sayaka on the way. About the healing. I'd like to do it today. This talk can run a bit long though and we do have a time constraint. That said, I want to try and slip it in.
[x] Once at a more secluded location:
-[x] Keep note of Hitomi's reactions. Try to take it slow so you don't overwhelm her.
-[x] "So... remember about the thing I wanted to talk to you about?"
-[x] Take your ring, transform it into your soul gem.
--[x] "Yes, that was my ring and yes, I just changed it into a gem. This is called a Soul Gem and those that have received one from Kyubey can become a magical girl."
---[x] Transform. Again note Hitomi's reaction. Continue when appropriate.
--[x] "Magical girls are created to fight and kill monsters called witches. Witches are invisible to normal people, but people can be drawn into their barriers or be placed under their control and driven to suicide by a witches kiss. Witches kill people. So we kill them before that happens."
--[x] It's also normally the only way to refresh a darkened soul gem. Using magic 'costs' and will darken the soul gem over time. Soul gems can darken in others ways too but we can talk about that later. A defeated witch will drop a 'grief seed'. These seeds can cleanse and renew a soul gem.
---[x] Ask Mami to show Hitomi a grief seed. You don't have a normal one on you right now.
--[x] Fighting witches can be extremely dangerous. You can get hurt badly. Even die. All it takes is one careless mistake.
-[x] Girls that have potential to become magical girls are approached by Kyubey. Kyubey will offer you a wish, anything you want. By making a wish, you accept the contract and are turned into a magical girl.
-[x] However it is a contract and the wish has a price. By becoming a magical girl, you have to fight... And Kyubey doesn't tell you everything.
--[x] Take out your soul gem again.
--[x] "To turn a girl into a magical girl, Kyubey will pull out that girls soul and place it in a gem like this one. Soul Gems are... literal."


For now, I'm fine with leaving it here. This is going to be a lot to take in as it is.
 
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It should be just fine. Mami knows and has considered everything it says.

Edit: You know, Mura's looks alright. Gets the same points across with better phrasing.

[X] Muramasa.
 
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Torgamous said:
She's going to be in our range for a while.


Something like this?

[x] "No, you're right. There's something we need to tell you, but it's hard to know where to start..."
[x] "I know!"
[x] Shape some grief into a booklet.
[x] Title: "Magical Girls for Dummies"
[x] Contents: Introduction, Kyuubey, Wishes, Powers, Soul Gems, Witches, Etcetera.
[x] Keep it Wikipedia-neutral. Exclude information Mami doesn't know.
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Grief doesn't do colours (just purple right?) and I don't know whether Hitomi has enough potential to see Witch-stuff. Reckon she does?

That and answering Sayaka who just asked about healing Kwiiji
 
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The nitpicks before really didn't add anything of value at all and apply equally to pretty much every vote, including the latest one.

The mura vote's the same as the others with some unimportant wording tweaks out so unless there are any other "important" remarks that don't change anything at all that anyone needs to get off their chest...

Added, the Muravote's missing a section on healing.
 
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What is any vote, if not a collective nitpicking session? It's how we get things done.

@Muramasa Sayaka just asked us when we were healing Kyouske. Sure you want to leave her hanging?
 
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...You're right, that vote's completely missing healing and the second half of your draft. Added it above.
 
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