It just occurred to me, Homura had access to a reusable god-power retroactive wish generator that can change things even after she loops back again! How the hell did she never use that!? Just coach pinkette in what to wish then loop and repeat. Victory in 3 cycles at most.

Never occurred to me either, but I never spent 100 years looping. Girl just isn't that creative I suppose.
That's a very rational approach to things (if you ignore the myriad of potential moral issues that surround it). Homura, however, is decidedly not rational when it comes to Madoka and her contracting.
 
It just occurred to me, Homura had access to a reusable god-power retroactive wish generator that can change things even after she loops back again! How the hell did she never use that!? Just coach pinkette in what to wish then loop and repeat. Victory in 3 cycles at most.

Never occurred to me either, but I never spent 100 years looping. Girl just isn't that creative I suppose.
I don't think it's lack of creativity that's keeping her from sacrificing Madoka to save Madoka.
 
[Q]"Real Life is Faust with Magical Girls."
[Q]Transform.
-[Q]Play "Magia" in the background.
[Q]Heal her arm.
 
If we do let Hitomi onto the "secret" (magical girls and whatnot), hopefully we can get her hooked up to the Kyubey Incubator Telepathic Network (KITN)TM​. It would help her feel included instead of left out. And if nothing else, think of the minutes she will save on her cell plan when talking to Madoka and Sayaka. :p

Sadly, this does mean Kyubey will have to show its face (for the initial contact to get Hitomi "hooked up"), but if it is anything like Kyubey in Sayaka quest, it will be showing its face soon anyways when we "spill the beans".
 
So, speechifying or grief puppetshow. Time someone put a vote together

[ ] Hitomi, there's something we've been meaning to tell you. Mami, Homura and I are magical girls. It's not like you see in the shows. Think less warrior of truth and justice, more child soldier against horrors that bend reality. Most live short, brutal lives.
[ ] Tricked into a contract by an ancient alien hiding behind the form of a fuzzy mutant cat thing, our souls are removed and kept in gems which power our magic. When the magic runs out we... die.
[ ] Us three are stronger than most, luckier than most. My power lets us not have to worry about our magic running out. It is a hard life, so we do what we can in the time we have. Today I was planning to try healing Kyouske. Mami, Homura, would you like to lend a hand? It shouldn't take long.
[jk] Watch the vervette's worldview shatter into little tiny pieces.
-[jk] Take pictures.
[ ] Come on, I'll heal that arm of yours while we walk the rest of the way to the hospital.
[ ] Sayaka, Madoka and Mami field questions about magical girls.
 
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Do we really need to dump everything on her right at the start of the vote? We'll probably have to repeat most of it as her brain pieces itself back together anyway.

[] "Now's as good a time as any."
[] Transform.
[] "Mami, Homura, and I are magical girls. We were actually just telepathically talking about telling you."
[] "Any questions?"
 
Why exactly would we possibly want to stall on the details? What purpose is served by stalling like that and missing out on the parts that actually matter?
 
Screw it we'll do it live.

[]Use telepathy for the first line only. Hitomi, we need to talk about something.
[]Mami, Homura and I are magical girls, and that isn't a good thing. Demonstrate if necessary.
-[]An alien named Kyubey tricks girls into contracts without telling them the real costs. He's a liar who's always trying to make things worse.
-[]Soul gems. Needing to fight hidden monsters called witches.
[]We were talking about healing Kyosuke, together. Mami, Homura, would you like to lend a hand? It shouldn't take long.
[] Come on, I'll heal that arm of yours while we walk the rest of the way to the hospital.
[] Sayaka, Madoka and Mami field questions about the rest.
[]Telepathy Hitomi. She and Sayaka should talk, sometime soon.
 
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It's a fair position to have, but going to visit him wasn't even originally on the agenda. Sayaka brought it up. Healing didn't come up until after the Ono situation resolved, so less than half an hour IC.
Healing was brought up at lunch, but people didn't want to "ruin the mood" by talking about it. At the time we decided that we would talk about it while walking to the hospital. Then Belle and Ono Megane showed up and that was delayed. Then we voted not to talk about it on the way to the hospital. Then we voted not to talk about it when we met up with the others. We've kept putting off the conversation to talk about healing Kyousuke and I really don't understand why. At least it has finally come up as a side issue while talking to Hitomi (though that bypasses any concerns that Mami and Homura may have had and skips the part where we talk about whether or not we're going to break the masquerade for Kyousuke).

All things considered, this is pretty great. I mean, I would ideally prefer for Hitomi's first experience with magic to be a little less positive than healing a sick kid just to give her the right mindset about the whole thing but that's more a stylistic choice really. Plus it brings the whole healing Kyouske thing to a head we can't keep putting it off.

Yes and yes will probably be unanimous so let's talk phrasing. Let's see what full grimderp sounds like.

Hitomi. Mami, Homura and I are magical girls. It's not like you see in the shows. Think less warrior of truth and justice, more child soldier against horrors that bend reality. Most live short, brutal lives. Tricked into a contract by an ancient alien hiding behind the form of a fuzzy mutant cat thing, our souls are removed and kept in gems which power our magic. I suspect that magical girl shows were created as propaganda to make humanity easier to trick. We are meguca, dread and terrible. Gaze upon our true forms, and despair.

Transform into frilly costumes, pose dramatically adorably.
The thing is that the positive things about being a meguca (a wish, healing powers, roof hopping, magical bullshit, etc.) are unambiguously positive. But the cost is the separation of the soul from the body, the responsibility of fighting witches, worrying about soul gem corruption, and the risk of death or witching out. If we tell the full truth without embellishment, then Hitomi (and Sayaka and Madoka) should realize that the positives do not outweigh the negatives, so a contract is not worth it. Even the truth about witches should be told to Madoka, Sayaka, and Hitomi. Though that will have to wait for later because at the moment Mami is at danger from that particular piece of knowledge (though Mami deserves to know as well, it's just that doing so while avoiding the potential negative consequences is tricky).

I'd be cool with it. So long as Madoka doesn't end up learning more than she already knows. The more she understands about how terrible meguca life is, the more she'll want to wish to fix it.
I disagree. Madoka already knows enough to want to fix it. There are particular details about meguca life that she doesn't know (the average life expectancy, for instance - though I should mention that we don't know precisely what that is either), but the main things that she doesn't know about at this point are: witchification, Homura's looping, and Kriemhild Gretchen. She needs to be told these things (and soon) so that she knows that even a wish intended to fix the system could make things worse.

[ ] Hitomi, there's something we've been meaning to tell you. Mami, Homura and I are magical girls. It's not like you see in the shows. Think less warrior of truth and justice, more child soldier against horrors that bend reality. Most live short, brutal lives.
That's a bit too overdramatic, I think. It's true, but it's said in such a dramatic fashion that it's likely to not be taken seriously. If we say each of the individual points without embellishment, then it would have a better effect.
[] Magical girls are not like the shows you see on TV.
[] We fight witches who are reality warping horrors that kill people.
[] Normal people cannot see witches, so the fight is in secret, and nobody ever knows about the girls who fight to protect them.
[] Sometimes the witches kill the magical girls who try to stop them.
[] Girls who die to witches usually have their bodies destroyed and no one ever finds out what happened to them.
[] The life expectancy of a magical girl is generally short (probably less than a year, Mami would know better).

Though note that the actual life expectancy would probably be a third of what Mami thinks it is when you factor in girls who witchout immediately after contracting without ever meeting any other magical girls).

[ ] Tricked into a contract by an ancient alien hiding behind the form of a fuzzy mutant cat thing, our souls are removed and kept in gems which power our magic. When the magic runs out we... die.
How about:
[] Tricked into a contract by an ancient alien hiding behind the form of a fuzzy telepathic mutant cat thing, our souls are removed and kept in gems which power our magic.
[] Magic use and negative emotions cause the soul gem to accumulate grief, which in turn directly affects the happiness and sanity of the bearer.
[] If the grief fills up the gem, then the girl dies.
[] People generally use grief seeds (obtained from witches) to remove grief from their soul gems, but sometimes they have difficulty finding enough seeds to get enough cleansing.
[] We have grief control, so we can cleanse soul gems directly, but only in our immediate vicinity, and it's not a permanent solution.
 
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Why exactly would we possibly want to stall on the details? What purpose is served by stalling like that and missing out on the parts that actually matter?
I'm not talking about actually not telling her everything, I'm just saying we don't need to tell her everything in one breath. Letting her have a few minutes to wrap her head around magic existing at all before going into detail is not stalling.
 
How about a little less trauma? Madoka is right fucking there.
Madoka's familiar with these facts, though.

I'm not talking about actually not telling her everything, I'm just saying we don't need to tell her everything in one breath. Letting her have a few minutes to wrap her head around magic existing at all before going into detail is not stalling.
That's why they're separate bullet-points.
 
Not in that context she isn't. I doubt even Mami's considered it that way. Tone the trauma down. Waaaaay down. Because Holy shit.
Mami knows about all of this already, there's no new information here. And Madoka already knows all of the basic facts (except possibly the one about a girl dying if her soul gem fills up). But Madoka is a smart girl and it won't be long before she figures out all of the unfortunate implications on her own. Telling her these things will make her unhappy; but truth is like that sometimes. She's not a meguca now, so there's no existential risk from unhappiness, and indeed it will be likely to make her (and Sayaka) be more careful when considering a contract, which is definitely good.
 
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Any flashy demonstrations will have to wait until we're in private.

And though we might want to check if telepathy works on vertettes, we probably can talk this out loud. I doubt anybody will care if they overhear.

We could start from the beginning, rather than jumping into the meguca life horribleness.

[] Yes, you do have a right to pry. Magic is real. Telepathy check.
-[] If a proof of magic is required and telepathy doesn't work, show off some minor cantrip, else wait until we've reach a private space to show off that yes, magic exists.
[] After truth of magic is assimilated, explain that the reasons for everybody else to be in on the secret.
-[] Homura, Mami and us are 'Magical Girls', which is very different from the TV shows.
-[] Madoka and Sayaka were offered to be the same and told to keep it secret. It's been a few days and we've decided to screw secrecy between close friends so, truth time.
[] Remind her of the offer to help with her arm. Offer to heal her arm magically, or at least help it along. Share plans to do the same for Kyousuke.

Unpolished, but we should do this step by step.

- Magic = real.
- Magic -> Magical girls.
- Magical girls -> Not as advertised.
- Madoka and Sayaka potential MG -> NOPE.
- Why does this all matter right now? -> Magical healing.

Leave other things, like the horribleness of meguca life, the used car salesman Incubators, witches and all that stuff for another time. Hell, if she's curious, she can ask Madoka and Sayaka later; they already know all this shit so we don't need to tell it ourselves.
 
I disagree. Madoka already knows enough to want to fix it. There are particular details about meguca life that she doesn't know (the average life expectancy, for instance
Mami knows about all of this already, there's no new information here. And Madoka already knows all of the basic facts (except possibly the one about a girl dying if her soul gem fills up). But Madoka is a smart girl and it won't be long before she figures out all of the unfortunate implications on her own. Telling her these things will make her unhappy; but the truth is like that sometimes. She's not a meguca now, so there's no existential risk from unhappiness, and indeed it will be likely to make her (and Sayaka) be more careful when considering a contract, which is definitely good.
Madoka knows, but in an abstract sense and we keep some of the worst bits from her. We never told her the details about Sendai for example. If she was personally watching as all those meguca fought over scarce resources and civilians died she would have a much higher chance of contracting. Her compassion might overcome her reluctance. Compassion is proportional to the inverse of distance, if we told her about it it would feel less real than if she saw for herself. We've never told her the details, just a bland "magical girls have to fight", so the emotional distance is greater still. That's what I mean when I say we keep things from her.
 
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