I agree that we should tell Madoka about Kriemhild Gretchen at the same time that we tell her about the witchbomb. And we're only holding off because Mami. Telling her about the time loops should reinforce the danger of Kriemhild Gretchen, and we should be able to convince Homura to tell her about the time loops because it should be less likely for Madoka to contract if she knows about them. It will also make Madoka realize how much Homura cares about her, which is good (though bittersweet from Homura's perspective).We're not keeping things from her, we're just going into less detail. We went to X, there was a fight instead of we went to x, 17 people died it was horrifying to have to beat that many meguca into submission. We're agreed that telling her more would be a good idea (given that Mami is out of the firing line and Homura agrees, Madoka can't be relied upon to keep the witch bomb from Mami successfully if pressed) but for rather different reasons. I have no doubt Homura has told her the full situation many times, but still not managed to stop her contracting. She may be stable but she is also heavily self-sacrificing. Kriemhild Gretchen is the only thing that would guarantee she never, ever contracts and it should be in our longterm plans to let her know. Witchbomb and time loops knowledge I'm less sure about: they might make her go Madokami on us.
I agree. In the upcoming conversation, there needs to be a balance between the good that we can do with magic (which will be very much in focus when we heal Hitomi and Kyousuke) and the cost that is incurred by making a contract (a price which Mami has already paid). We should portray it in such a way that Madoka and Sayaka and Hitomi realize that making a contract involves a price that is too high, but in such a way that Mami is not traumatized (sad reminders are unavoidable, but we should be able to do it in such a way that there's no fresh trauma).There's good reason not to layer on the trauma attached to our arm right now. Ultimately, for those who are already magical girls, magic needs to end up perceived as a good thing despite having unreasonable costs. This is doubly so for Mami specifically, whose entire perception of magic is tainted by its association with Kyubey. It isn't just a matter of her already knowing either. How things are said affects everyone regardless of what is said
I'll remind you that the fewer traumatic reminders Mami has every damn day, the faster she'll improve. That was confirmed by GM earlier in the thread.
We don't need to moderate too much. It's easy to present the costs of magic as far too high. We don't and can't afford to sledgehammer the bad either.
Let's see what might cause Mami trauma: the fight against witches is a noble one. Despite the dangers, it's an idea that has inspired her in the past, so I don't think that it would depress her now (though possibly I should change the phrasing to emphasize the noble nature of the risk). The reminder of Kyuubey's betrayal may make her angry and/or sad, but not so much that we should avoid mentioning it. The risks of grief in soul gems are moot as long as we're around. Which brings us to the real risk of trauma. We need to avoid any hint that we could leave her (i.e. due to death). The mention of the risk of death from fighting witches could involve this, depending on how we handle it. If we say that there is a risk of dying, but that the three of us are powerful (so we're reasonably safe), then it should be fine.
I see the point. It's a lot for Hitomi to take in and it would definitely postpone the meeting with Kyousuke (but if we actually are going to heal him today, we would want to do so during timestop anyway so that doctors and nurses don't accidentally interfere). It's a lot to take in, but just telling a part of the truth is also problematic. Ideally we would have a large block of time where we told Hitomi things and allowed her to absorb them and ask questions. But the issue has come to a point and we need to respond now. Unless we're going to take the time to explain to her in time-stop, then it's going to need to be either an explanation that is too brief or an overwhelming info-dump.I mostly like it, but I agree with those who say that it's a bit much all at once.
Actually, I'd be fine with using time-stop here (it would be another way of demonstrating magic and would set the right tone for the reveal), what do the rest of you think?
[x] Muramasa
I'm mostly fine with this, but I do have a few suggestions:
1. I think that we should include the phrase "Magical girls are not like the shows you see on TV." Hitomi is going to think about conventional magical girls one way or another and if we explicitly point out that those preconceptions are wrong then maybe she will question some of her assumptions.
2. The current description about fighting witches makes it sound like it's easy/automatic (like the monster fights in most magical girl shows). We should point out that real magical girls actually risk their lives when they fight witches. The three of us are powerful, so it's a lesser risk for us, but many girls actually do die.
3. The vote doesn't say why darkened soul gems are bad (i.e. the effects on the owner's behavior and the risk of death). I don't think we've told Sayaka and Madoka yet, either. Since we're already talking about the subject, why not bring it up?
4. The vote doesn't say anything about discussing healing. It could wait for the next update, but it would be nice to get it out of the way soonest.