We're not keeping things from her, we're just going into less detail. We went to X, there was a fight instead of we went to x, 17 people died it was horrifying to have to beat that many meguca into submission. We're agreed that telling her more would be a good idea (given that Mami is out of the firing line and Homura agrees, Madoka can't be relied upon to keep the witch bomb from Mami successfully if pressed) but for rather different reasons. I have no doubt Homura has told her the full situation many times, but still not managed to stop her contracting. She may be stable but she is also heavily self-sacrificing. Kriemhild Gretchen is the only thing that would guarantee she never, ever contracts and it should be in our longterm plans to let her know. Witchbomb and time loops knowledge I'm less sure about: they might make her go Madokami on us.
I agree that we should tell Madoka about Kriemhild Gretchen at the same time that we tell her about the witchbomb. And we're only holding off because Mami. Telling her about the time loops should reinforce the danger of Kriemhild Gretchen, and we should be able to convince Homura to tell her about the time loops because it should be less likely for Madoka to contract if she knows about them. It will also make Madoka realize how much Homura cares about her, which is good (though bittersweet from Homura's perspective).

There's good reason not to layer on the trauma attached to our arm right now. Ultimately, for those who are already magical girls, magic needs to end up perceived as a good thing despite having unreasonable costs. This is doubly so for Mami specifically, whose entire perception of magic is tainted by its association with Kyubey. It isn't just a matter of her already knowing either. How things are said affects everyone regardless of what is said

I'll remind you that the fewer traumatic reminders Mami has every damn day, the faster she'll improve. That was confirmed by GM earlier in the thread.

We don't need to moderate too much. It's easy to present the costs of magic as far too high. We don't and can't afford to sledgehammer the bad either.
I agree. In the upcoming conversation, there needs to be a balance between the good that we can do with magic (which will be very much in focus when we heal Hitomi and Kyousuke) and the cost that is incurred by making a contract (a price which Mami has already paid). We should portray it in such a way that Madoka and Sayaka and Hitomi realize that making a contract involves a price that is too high, but in such a way that Mami is not traumatized (sad reminders are unavoidable, but we should be able to do it in such a way that there's no fresh trauma).

Let's see what might cause Mami trauma: the fight against witches is a noble one. Despite the dangers, it's an idea that has inspired her in the past, so I don't think that it would depress her now (though possibly I should change the phrasing to emphasize the noble nature of the risk). The reminder of Kyuubey's betrayal may make her angry and/or sad, but not so much that we should avoid mentioning it. The risks of grief in soul gems are moot as long as we're around. Which brings us to the real risk of trauma. We need to avoid any hint that we could leave her (i.e. due to death). The mention of the risk of death from fighting witches could involve this, depending on how we handle it. If we say that there is a risk of dying, but that the three of us are powerful (so we're reasonably safe), then it should be fine.

I mostly like it, but I agree with those who say that it's a bit much all at once.
I see the point. It's a lot for Hitomi to take in and it would definitely postpone the meeting with Kyousuke (but if we actually are going to heal him today, we would want to do so during timestop anyway so that doctors and nurses don't accidentally interfere). It's a lot to take in, but just telling a part of the truth is also problematic. Ideally we would have a large block of time where we told Hitomi things and allowed her to absorb them and ask questions. But the issue has come to a point and we need to respond now. Unless we're going to take the time to explain to her in time-stop, then it's going to need to be either an explanation that is too brief or an overwhelming info-dump.

Actually, I'd be fine with using time-stop here (it would be another way of demonstrating magic and would set the right tone for the reveal), what do the rest of you think?

[x] Muramasa
I'm mostly fine with this, but I do have a few suggestions:
1. I think that we should include the phrase "Magical girls are not like the shows you see on TV." Hitomi is going to think about conventional magical girls one way or another and if we explicitly point out that those preconceptions are wrong then maybe she will question some of her assumptions.
2. The current description about fighting witches makes it sound like it's easy/automatic (like the monster fights in most magical girl shows). We should point out that real magical girls actually risk their lives when they fight witches. The three of us are powerful, so it's a lesser risk for us, but many girls actually do die.
3. The vote doesn't say why darkened soul gems are bad (i.e. the effects on the owner's behavior and the risk of death). I don't think we've told Sayaka and Madoka yet, either. Since we're already talking about the subject, why not bring it up?
4. The vote doesn't say anything about discussing healing. It could wait for the next update, but it would be nice to get it out of the way soonest.
 
...That vote's completely missing even a mention of healing for no real reason. Sayaka asked, it's fairly relevant, and there's no reason whatsoever not to at least bring it up.
 
Works for me

[x] Muramasa

Edit: Possibly it's a bit too positive to be entirely representative of meguca life but I'm sure the rest of the gang can talk about that while they're at school.
 
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And that's meant to be the more tactful of the options? The one that avoids upsetting Mami? Almost any other way to put it would be less...unfortunate. o_O
 
And that's meant to be the more tactful of the options? The one that avoids upsetting Mami? Almost any other way to put it would be less...unfortunate. o_O
Mami is not at risk as long as we are around. She already knows that soul gem corruption is a problem that can lead to (temporary) insanity or death, but it's not an immediate problem for her or any of her friends.
 
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It's a crappy question to answer no matter what. "I'd rather not say" is the best non-answer, if we want to go that way

Edit: alternatives include "I don't know of anyone who's survived that", but the more we obfusticate the more we sound like Kyubey here
 
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Mami is not at risk as long as we are around. She knows that soul gem corruption is a problem that can lead to (temporary) insanity or death, but it's not an immediate problem for her or any of her friends.
Yes, we're aware of that but the point's been raised immediately before. I don't agree with the argument as written as a reason not to go for the vote, and think it was somewhat bizarre as presented, but it's a thing.

It's a crappy question to answer no matter what. "I'd rather not say" is the best non-answer, if we want to go that way

Edit: alternatives include "I don't know of anyone who's survived that", but the more we obfusticate the more we sound like Kyubey here
That really doesn't work at all.
 
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Works for me

[x] Muramasa

Edit: Possibly it's a bit too positive to be entirely representative of meguca life but I'm sure the rest of the gang can talk about that while they're at school.

The content was meant to be neutral to explain the dangers of contracting while minimizing trauma for everyone involved. Mami believes even if Kyubey betrayed her, she's still doing good in the world and the less horrible we can paint magical girl life to Madoka while still making it clear this is not a lifestyle she should fall into, the better. We want to portray magical girl life as "We'll get through it, but this isn't something you want to get into."
 
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It's a crappy question to answer no matter what. "I'd rather not say" is the best non-answer, if we want to go that way
On the contrary, the question allows us to say that there is a problem, but our abilities are eminently suited to preventing it.

The content was meant to be neutral to explain the dangers of contracting while minimizing trauma for everyone involved. Mami believes even if Kyubey betrayed her, she's still doing good in the world and the less horrible we paint magical girl life to Madoka while still making it clear this is not a lifestyle she should fall into, the better. We want to portray magical girl life as "We'll get through it. Still, this isn't something you want to get into."
I'm worried that the current vote makes it sound like a stereotypical magical girl show where girls get magical powers and fight evil monsters and always win. The magical trinket being an actual soul is off-putting, but the danger of the witch fights is underplayed in the vote and unless we explicitly point out the differences between our situation and that of a stereotypical magical girl, then Hitomi is going to get the wrong idea. We don't need to play down the danger of witch fights to preserve Mami's composure. Mami knows very well that witches are dangerous, but she also knows that they need to be stopped and she came to terms with the situation a long time ago.
 
Hitomi is both level-headed and curious.

What do we say when she inevitably asks what happens when a Soul Gem gets too dark?
You suffer a fate worse than death, kill any people who happen to be around you at time, and then die.*

*Am not actually recommending saying this.
 
If our grief could keep its "form" outside of our range, I might of actually voted for this.

Nevertheless, preparing such a book/pamphlet/whatever (out of "real" materials, of course) might be a nifty idea in the future, for others we reveal this to and a good guide for potentials to get a properly informed view of what they are getting into.

As I said before, I actually want us to distribute educational material on being a magical girl.

Grief doesn't do colours (just purple right?) and I don't know whether Hitomi has enough potential to see Witch-stuff. Reckon she does?

Grief can do colours if we order it to. We know this. Hitomi might not be able to see it even with that though.

[x]Muramasa
 
On the contrary, the question allows us to say that there is a problem, but our abilities are eminently suited to preventing it.


I'm worried that the current vote makes it sound like a stereotypical magical girl show where girls get magical powers and fight evil monsters and always win. The magical trinket being an actual soul is off-putting, but the danger of the witch fights is underplayed in the vote and unless we explicitly point out the differences between our situation and that of a stereotypical magical girl, then Hitomi is going to get the wrong idea. We don't need to play down the danger of witch fights to preserve Mami's composure. Mami knows very well that witches are dangerous, but she also knows that they need to be stopped and she came to terms with the situation a long time ago.

--[] Fighting witches can be extremely dangerous. You can get hurt badly. Even die. All it takes is one careless mistake.

Added this line to stress the dangers of fighting a witch.
 
Can we ask Mami (and Homura) to leave for the explanation?

They know it all. They probably don't want to hear it. And it means we can make clear how much trauma is involved without bringing it back for them as much.
 
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