One is something a specific magical girl has a specific aptitude for.
The other is something any MG can do in theory, but not very well. Certainly not on the scale of becoming Wolverine.
 
Humans grow bodies all the time. It's called reproduction and growing up.

It's not anywhere close to the level of power output you'd need to tell the universe to stop, and then restart it somehow.

Even transmuting the amount of mass composing a human body from pure energy wouldn't compare to the amount of energy required to stop the universe moving.
 
If magic can stop the universe moving it should be able to conjure up a new body far more cheaply.

We should be able to farm human bodies like fields of wheat for less than the cost of stopping the universe.

So cleansing gems that are disconnected from a body shouldn't be an issue.

Fine then, what stops Homura from storing the bodies with the soul gems in her shield? It's obvious time doesn't pass in there so we should be able to use it as a prison.
 
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's tell me. Have I not displayed both time stop and healing in story?

Is it hard to extrapolate from there?

An' remember a favourite phrase of mine - magic is intuitive. Water doesn't flow in the pipes in time stop, but electricity works, despite 'timestop'. And when you get down to it, timestop is simply something Homura can do and never gave any real thought to. Healing, on the other hand, is something a nonspecialist has to put significant effort into working with. It takes effort and time and corruption.

Don't talk energy. Put yourself in a teenaged girl's shoes: What's harder, something you know, instinctively, you can do, and have done countless times before, or something you rarely, if ever, have to do and don't really know how to do?

Magic is as magic does.
 
If magic can stop the universe moving it should be able to conjure up a new body far more cheaply.

We should be able to farm human bodies like fields of wheat for less than the cost of stopping the universe.

So cleansing gems that are disconnected from a body shouldn't be an issue.

Fine then, what stops Homura from storing the bodies with the soul gems in her shield? It's obvious time doesn't pass in there so we should be able to use it as a prison.
Respectively:
1. Maaaaaaaaybe.
2.The rest of the fucking thread will say no.
3.Possibly.
4.It has already been stated that living things do not go in the shield.

Can you please cut the shitposting out?
 
The Incubators need to be bound by the laws of thermodynamics or the whole system falls apart. It must take the proper amount of energy to do things or they wouldn't need to run their whole system.

If magic just tosses thermodynamics out the window then there's no need for the cycle and the could just use magic for everything and skip the whole convoluted meguca system.
 
The Incubators need to be bound by the laws of thermodynamics or the whole system falls apart. It must take the proper amount of energy to do things or they wouldn't need to run their whole system.

If magic just tosses thermodynamics out the window then there's no need for the cycle and the could just use magic for everything and skip the whole convoluted meguca system.
Asuming that this was in any case relevant to the 'discussion' that was ongoing for this page and the last one, you just straight up ignored the QM. Pls stahp.
 
The Incubators need to be bound by the laws of thermodynamics or the whole system falls apart. It must take the proper amount of energy to do things or they wouldn't need to run their whole system.

If magic just tosses thermodynamics out the window then there's no need for the cycle and the could just use magic for everything and skip the whole convoluted meguca system.
You know, I'm pretty[1]​ sure that the reason the meguca system exists is for the Incubators to harness magic. That's the entire point of the system, even.

[1]​By which I actually mean completely.
 
Asuming that this was in any case relevant to the 'discussion' that was ongoing for this page and the last one, you just straight up ignored the QM. Pls stahp.
The QM did not say I should stop. If anything his statement means growing a body will get increasingly cheap as the soul gem tries to build a new body and gains experience.

You know, I'm pretty[1]​ sure that the reason the meguca system exists is for the Incubators to harness magic. That's the entire point of the system, even.

[1]​By which I actually mean completely.
If that was the case they wouldn't care about collecting grief so much. They'd just abduct meguca after they made their wish to put them in customized power generators. There'd be no incentive for them to witch out.
 
Anyways, what was this mantra? Something something "Its only a show"

Look helix, maybe your "logic" is "right" (morality is stupid and such), but understand this: we will not follow this. We refuse to follow this, and any attempt to make us change our minds will backfire into us facedesking by anything you say relating to this, and ignoring you.

If you can accept anything of this, I suggest using your efforts into something else, understood?
 
If that was the case they wouldn't care about collecting grief so much. They'd just abduct meguca after they made their wish to put them in customized power generators. There'd be no incentive for them to witch out.
The Incubator Grief collection system doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you think about it. In other news, our top scientists are currently informing us that water is, in fact, wet.

Seriously, man. NOW he's telling you to stop. Are you quite satisfied?
 
If that was the case they wouldn't care about collecting grief so much. They'd just abduct meguca after they made their wish to put them in customized power generators. There'd be no incentive for them to witch out.
Continue in a PM with me if you want, but my rebuttal is simply then a challenge for you: Whence then the energy for Homura's time stop, if you claim that it has to be bound by the laws of thermodynamics? If as you say, the time stop costs ungodly amounts of energy, then the Incubators are taking an enormous hit every time she cranks her shield. Whence then the payoff, and why have they not offed Homura if she's such a liability? If then you claim that Witching out will make all that energy back and more, I fail to see how it equally applies even with puella magi generating energy ex nihilo, because for such an argument to work, the energy of Witching out must be a significantly greater payout than all the energy a puella magi expends over her life time.

And there's another point, really! Witching out must produce a vast amount of energy, which the amount of Grief roughly corresponds to.

And wouldn't you look at that? I've made exactly that point in PMAS. Witches are vast amounts of Grief, healing for a nonspecialist quantities of Grief, and 'native' powers very little.
 
Furthermore we have no evidence that holding onto their soul gems while they continue to generate a body would in fact overwhelm our rate of grief bending in our sleep. In fact we know this isn't the case because in the PSP games you can see that the soul gem can be separated from the body for four DAYS without witching out. So them witching out during a sleep cycle isn't going to happen.
 
The QM did not say I should stop. If anything his statement means growing a body will get increasingly cheap as the soul gem tries to build a new body and gains experience.

If that was the case they wouldn't care about collecting grief so much. They'd just abduct meguca after they made their wish to put them in customized power generators. There'd be no incentive for them to witch out.
Alright.
We are completely capable of lugging around their disembodied souls and preventing them from witching out.

But honestly? Aside from the moral implications of doing so, it's impractical. If we slip up, if we miss once, if we forget, if we sleep in - then they'll either successfully regenerate and escape, or witch out on us. Furthermore, if we keep them in gem-form, we can't interrogate them. With the time-stop, it was a friendly whom we were cleansing, and on top of that, she asked us for cleanses.

Heck, look at the section where we got hit by a mine - the amount of marbles we got from the healing was huge. Healing takes more energy then stopping time. Does it make sense? No. But it doesn't make sense for emotions to have a tangible effect on reality either - not as energy, certainly not as reality warping eldritch abominations based off the souls of the source of the emotions.
Furthermore we have no evidence that holding onto their soul gems while they continue to generate a body would in fact overwhelm our rate of grief bending in our sleep. In fact we know this isn't the case because in the PSP games you can see that the soul gem can be separated from the body for four DAYS without witching out. So them witching out during a sleep cycle isn't going to happen.
We gathered 100+ grief marbles when Homura and Mami were working together to heal our leg. They're trying to do a whole body, and it was noted that it took "past an hour" to heal a single leg. If we sleep a normal 8 hours... that's 800 marbles worth. Not to mention the psychological effects - complete sensory deprivation, combined with grief-spirals and (in Kirika's case, at least) the fact that they failed to protect their girlfriend? There is a lot of potential to go wrong there. (Also... are the PSP games even canon? )
It takes past an hour and several more cleanses to heal your leg fully- that mine had made an utter mess of your leg. Homura did the majority, though not by much, of the work, her healing seemingly far more efficient than Mami's, who simply brute forced it. You speculate that perhaps Homura simply had more time to hone her skills.


There is quite a bit of dissonance with Sabrina's leg being utterly mulched, and her blithely talking about other things as if she doesn't care.

You now have a hundred seventeen Grief marbles, twelve of which are in your pocket.

Homura, who is super efficient and experienced, would generate much less grief then Oriko and Kirika.
 
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We gathered 100+ grief marbles when Homura and Mami were working together to heal our leg. They're trying to do a whole body, and it was noted that it took "past an hour" to heal a single leg. If we sleep a normal 8 hours... that's 800 marbles worth. Not to mention the psychological effects - complete sensory deprivation, combined with grief-spirals and (in Kirika's case, at least) the fact that they failed to protect their girlfriend? There is a lot of potential to go wrong there. (Also... are the PSP games even canon? )
Except when a soul gem is separated from a body the mind shuts down. They don't remember the period at all. That's actually in episode 5-6 of the anime. No grief spiral as the mind is shut down. No moral issues because there's no sensory deprivation, it's just like being in a dreamless sleep.

Also I want a citation on where the idea that the soul gem automatically tries to rebuild the body comes from, because I can't find any reference to that with a google search and I don't recall it ever actually happening. I'm pretty sure that was just from To The Stars.

In the game the soul gem basically just becomes inert until reunited with the body, and the situation of long term soul gem separated from body doesn't come up in the anime. Is it from one of the manga?
 
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....I go for less than a few hours, and this quest gets its own version of Nicknumbers. Damnit, all the cool stuff happens when I'm not here.
 
There is no call for personal attacks. Address his points if you want to engage him.

Not so much a personal attack so much as commenting on the fact that, much like Nick, he seems to enjoy arguing with the ENTIRE thread, even when they have said he was wrong. Unlike Nick, thankfully, he lacks the heinous morals.

Didn't mean it to sound like a attack, sorry.
 
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