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About Oriko the gameplan I had in mind was...

- Heal Oriko's 'life threatening' injuries. Anything Mami would see and question 'how is she still alive!?' needs healing.
- While in timestop, Get as much out of Oriko as we can. Refute her extremist actions and try to get her to see things our way.
- If Oriko stands down, send her and Kirika to a hospital (Not the same one as where our friends are). They're 'out of comission'. They need time, magic and grief seeds to heal. They don't have it. They'll need a magical girl like Sabrina to either provide them with a grief seed every few days or to cleanse their gems. It's a good way to keep an eye on them.
- If Oriko continues to not cooperate... well we have to put her down... Considering the vote is implying to Mami that we just disabled them... Welp.
 
I am just gonna vote to thoroughly wreck whatever arguments she has. She has to join up or ...uh...be dropped in the city center naked. Some politician you'll be, hah!
 
Muramasa said:
Still doesn't guarantee anything and is a horrible thing to do. That would be a jarring shift in Sabrina's character if we tried it (and don't expect me to support that).
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Honestly, I'd rather just get rid of them both until after Walpurgis, but just letting her and Kirika sit in the hospital is tantamount to letting them go- a awful idea unless we can make very, very sure she's had a change of heart.

And doesn't guarantee anything? One of Oriko's defining traits is her love for Kirika. That would put a very final end to attempts at manipulation with the question being whether the result is an improvement.

The hostage idea is as an alternative to us/Homura having to break two gems, since almost nobody wants that to happen. If we can trust the two of them to behave in a hospital, wonderful.
 
Ugolino said:
And doesn't guarantee anything? One of Oriko's defining traits is her love for Kirika. That would put a very final end to attempts at manipulation with the question being whether the result is an improvement.
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If Oriko was desperate enough, she'd act anyway. Weather she would attempt an indirect method to free Kirika or try to force us somehow to turn her over. I'm not convinced keeping her hostage would completely freeze Oriko into inaction.
 
Muramasa said:
If Oriko was desperate enough, she'd act anyway. Weather she would attempt an indirect method to free Kirika or try to force us somehow to turn her over. I'm not convinced keeping her hostage would completely freeze Oriko into inaction.
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If we make it clear enough that we don't want to break the gem, that we will break the gem if she does anything more like set houses on fire, and that we're going to let Kirika go before Walpurgisnight arrives...Assuming she's not high on grief/trauma, Oriko might play along. It wouldn't be ideal but if we can't trust her/less than perfect Sabrinaplomacy happens and we definitely don't want to murder her...

Homura might just cold tea her if we try the hospital idea without running it by her first.
 
Ugh I'm trying to decide what to do after we heal Oriko and prevent Mami from freaking out on one hand we could always punch her in the face repeatedly till Oriko listens to us and on the other hand the threaten Kirika's soul gem option could work as well.
 
MoonlightSpark said:
Ugh I'm trying to decide what to do after we heal Oriko and prevent Mami from freaking out on one hand we could always punch her in the face repeatedly till Oriko listens to us and on the other hand the threaten Kirika's soul gem could work as well.
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Threats are a last resort for if we can't persuade Oriko properly. Punching is well-deserved but useless. :p

We can always shatter her gem if she does something truly unforgivable, anyway.
 
Should we give Mami the Talk, before we interrogate Oriko? Presuming it all goes well, she'll feel more involved in the end. Prepare for gemshots though.
 
Ugolino said:
If we make it clear enough that we don't want to break the gem, that we will break the gem if she does anything more like set houses on fire, and that we're going to let Kirika go before Walpurgisnight arrives...Assuming she's not high on grief/trauma, Oriko might play along. It wouldn't be ideal but if we can't trust her/less than perfect Sabrinaplomacy happens and we definitely don't want to murder her...
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And then she calls our bluff because lolprecog. Quite frankly it should never have gotten to this point. If we couldn't bring ourselves to kill her then, we're not going to murder Kirika now because Oriko won't cooperate.

Homura might just cold tea her if we try the hospital idea without running it by her first.
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Considering that Homura has now had two oppurtunities to get rid of Oriko once and for all and didn't go through with it? I highly doubt it.
 
If she starts going after the other NPCs, especially ones we care about, yes, we are. I want Oriko and Kirika alive, but if she's going full "kill them all to save the world" and we can't talk her down, we're out of other options.
 
Ugolino said:
If she starts going after the other NPCs, especially ones we care about, yes, we are. I want Oriko and Kirika alive, but if she's going full "kill them all to save the world" and we can't talk her down, we're out of other options.
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...and what have we seen Kirika do that justifies us killing her in cold blood? We saw Oriko at the fire. Not her. If Kirika was there, Sabrina never noticed her.
 
Muramasa said:
...and what have we seen Kirika do that justifies us killing her in cold blood? We saw Oriko at the fire. Not her. If Kirika was there, Sabrina never noticed her.
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We know exactly how Kirika'll take Oriko dying and what her wish did to her in the canon timeline. Connect the dots with her going batshit and the results of leaving Kirika alive while killing Oriko will be a pointless mess. If one dies, the other goes too or we get something like Oriko going full school-killer.
 
Ugolino said:
We know exactly how Kirika'll take Oriko dying and what her wish did to her in the canon timeline. Connect the dots with her going batshit and the results of leaving Kirika alive while killing Oriko will be a pointless mess. If one dies, the other goes too or we get something like Oriko going full school-killer.
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That would make the only time to kill Kirika as being somewhat justified is if/when Oriko dies. Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it? Unless you want to turn Sabrina into a murderer.



...and god this is a stupid argument.


tl;dr kidnapping with threats to murder is not an acceptable option. try again.
 
Muramasa said:
That would make the only time to kill Kirika as being somewhat justified is if/when Oriko dies. Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it? Unless you want to turn Sabrina into a murderer.



...and god this is a stupid argument.


tl;dr kidnapping with threats to murder is not an acceptable option. try again.
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...The point is if we did need insurance against Oriko committing murder/setting more houses on fire, that would be it. It's better than going cold tea on them. If we can let them go, great. If not, I'd rather take a third option.
 
Ugolino said:
...The point is if we did need insurance against Oriko committing murder/setting more houses on fire, that would be it. It's better than going cold tea on them. If we can let them go, great. If not, I'd rather take a third option.
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It's a terrible idea that either won't work, will back fire horribly or infract on Sabrina's character. Pass.
 
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