celdak
[Maniacal laughter]
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- Behind you.
Actually, that would work very well, if we manage to return her back before either Bestgirl or Mami find out, we are capable of doing that.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Actually, that would work very well, if we manage to return her back before either Bestgirl or Mami find out, we are capable of doing that.
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
- Location
- Lima. Peru
Fun times in PMAS I can see...
*sigh*
[x] Muramasa
*sigh*
[x] Muramasa
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
I figured as much, but either A) Don't make a whole bunch irresponsibly, or B) don't turn Grief into like, MURDER-RAPE-HATRED-RACISM energy.
- Location
- A friendly desert community
Sabrina: Kyuubey, I need a refund. I actually meant to wish to control all the MURDERISM-RAPEHATRED.
The Bird
tEM IS GUD...RITER!
- Location
- In that den of villains and scum, OKLAHOMA
Simple. A easy way to get rid of grief, and we could possibly cause someone to witch out from JOY. Also I was kinda thinking we might be able to utilize it as a cheap sort of mind control, good for interrogations and such.
The Bird
tEM IS GUD...RITER!
- Location
- In that den of villains and scum, OKLAHOMA
SCIENCE!(And horrible ideas) waits for no man!
You know, there is a decent explanation, if Mami would actually listen, that doesn't involve lichdom at all.
People have actually been known to remain conscious, as well as alive, for several seconds after complete decapitation. The reason they die is that without any blood, the brain both starts suffocating and has lost support from being immersed in fluid so it starts collapsing under its own weight. Each of these factors, applied to something as delicate as the brain, are capable of causing death within minutes on their own. However, they are very weak forces in terms of actual magnitude, and given a meguca's ability to heal anything nonlethal, even if their brain held their mind still, keeping a soul gem on a decapitated head with an undamaged brain would allow magic to heal them faster than the ongoing damage and leave them alive. Of course, the gem will try to fix everything, including the missing body, and burn through all the magic in it without accomplishing anything. And then the still lethal injuries kill them. Sabrina can stop that from happening.
It's still a horrible fate that we may want to yell at Homura about (or have Mami see us yelling about...) but it is an acceptable explanation for why Oriko isn't actually dead without saying anything about magical girls we don't want Mami to know.
People have actually been known to remain conscious, as well as alive, for several seconds after complete decapitation. The reason they die is that without any blood, the brain both starts suffocating and has lost support from being immersed in fluid so it starts collapsing under its own weight. Each of these factors, applied to something as delicate as the brain, are capable of causing death within minutes on their own. However, they are very weak forces in terms of actual magnitude, and given a meguca's ability to heal anything nonlethal, even if their brain held their mind still, keeping a soul gem on a decapitated head with an undamaged brain would allow magic to heal them faster than the ongoing damage and leave them alive. Of course, the gem will try to fix everything, including the missing body, and burn through all the magic in it without accomplishing anything. And then the still lethal injuries kill them. Sabrina can stop that from happening.
It's still a horrible fate that we may want to yell at Homura about (or have Mami see us yelling about...) but it is an acceptable explanation for why Oriko isn't actually dead without saying anything about magical girls we don't want Mami to know.
"Her magic is keeping her alive" also works, but either one risks Kyubey dropping the lichbomb.
It might be better to nick the gem and call her dead. Then interrogate her later under time stop.
Not worth the Mami trauma or her finding out the truth later.
1) Mami is a ways off, she'll be here in 5-20 minutes
2) She is clearly, grisly dead
3) Healing will take half a day or more.
That would mean we will kill Oriko later or maintain a lie over Mami.
If we are not going to kill her then what are you proposing? If somehow she social-fu's her way into a believable explanation then what? She is never going to be trusted, not even her explanation. Precognition can be applied to social situations.
The only reason I said to keep her gem is that I don't think that people are will to let murderface solve the problem.
We interrogate her for everything she knows, explain why her scenario's doomed to failure no matter what (Even going by what we currently know, she'd need to somehow kill us, Mami, Homura and Madoka just to control Mitakihara, then she'd need to assemble a team to somehow take down Walpurgisnight and she'd be helping keep the current system as it is...and if she misses Homura or Madoka, she's effectively deader than dead in every following timeline) make it clear what happens if she double crosses us after this if we really need to say it (If she does kill off the timeline by killing off the cast, we're going to make a point of witching Kirika out before killing Oriko, because everyone'd be dead anyway at that point) and offer her an incentive to cooperate in that if she leaves Mitakihara and preferably the country and we never see her again, we'll leave her and Kirika alone.
Assumption, her actions do not match canon
Precognition, Kill Murderface and she wins.
(Precognition applied to guns would be perfect for this)
She's going to have a personal reason to hate us now. That offer is not much in the way of incentive.
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- A friendly desert community
She gave us a personal reason to hate her first: the fire!mermaid, by which I mean Sayaka's near-brush with experiencing Ophelia's element.
We hear her scenario first before pointing out how it wouldn't have worked.
Point out that killing Homura's also killing off the best chance at stopping Walpurgisnight if she fails...and with just her and whichever ferals she can con into helping out, we'd bet on Walpurgisnight over her and Kirka. Emphasizing "there's a better plan where you and Kirka both get to live/your plan ISN'T necessary" is the way to go here.
If we do need to break out the threats to make sure we don't get Sayaka's House 2: Electric Boogaloo, we may as well threaten the one thing we know Oriko probably really cares about at this point.
The ideal ending for this is "Oriko leaves the country/goes somewhere where we never see or hear from her again/for the next month, and if we do, we know she's probably hostile"
Point out that killing Homura's also killing off the best chance at stopping Walpurgisnight if she fails...and with just her and whichever ferals she can con into helping out, we'd bet on Walpurgisnight over her and Kirka. Emphasizing "there's a better plan where you and Kirka both get to live/your plan ISN'T necessary" is the way to go here.
If we do need to break out the threats to make sure we don't get Sayaka's House 2: Electric Boogaloo, we may as well threaten the one thing we know Oriko probably really cares about at this point.
The ideal ending for this is "Oriko leaves the country/goes somewhere where we never see or hear from her again/for the next month, and if we do, we know she's probably hostile"
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And if it would have worked?
A soon as she is alone, and she will know when she is alone, she can do what she wants and there is no agreement that can stop her. Unless gems can be shoved inside Murderface's shield and Kirika is kept as a hostage. Which would add to the bad blood.
Even if it would have worked, it wouldn't have worked. We're not trying to seriously consider her case, we're trying to persuade her that there's a better alternative.
Yes, that's true, but if nothing else, we'd hopefully make her think twice about it, offer her a better alternative, and as a worst case scenario...we just timestop gank her and Kirika with Homura via sniper rifle however long that takes.
Loops
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I would rather have Oriko on a short leash to make better use of her power. Just saying. Precognition grief costs mean nothing around Sabrina.
"Congratulations Oriko, you've been promoted from murderous-pain-in-my-ass to personal seer! Step out of my line of sight for more than thirty seconds and Homura snipes you."
Ooo, that would basically mean that we'd get drafted into attending Oriko's school if for no other reason than that we'd need to make sure she was there. Get 100m~ away from the 'warden' and one telepathic message to Homura seals your fate instantly or something. That would be a fun time.
"Congratulations Oriko, you've been promoted from murderous-pain-in-my-ass to personal seer! Step out of my line of sight for more than thirty seconds and Homura snipes you."
Ooo, that would basically mean that we'd get drafted into attending Oriko's school if for no other reason than that we'd need to make sure she was there. Get 100m~ away from the 'warden' and one telepathic message to Homura seals your fate instantly or something. That would be a fun time.
I, who have not read the Oriko manga, just glanced through the summary section of Oriko's wiki page. Was Oriko's plan for peace consist of just mercy killing magical girls? Seriously?
FlatlineAskari
*feline scrutiny*
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Strongly against conscripting her. If she's the sort to bear a grudge, that'd leave her perfectly positioned to take all kinds of slow and quiet and nasty revenge.
But we are not going to kill her, else we are doing the same as her. Also, she'll know if we are going to kill or stay our hand. She'll be more forthcoming if she sees mercy.