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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

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(Counting [] Ugolino votes as his most recent vote post)

11 for Ugilino vs 8 for Guilop (10 now with Onmur's and Rabbit's votes)

One of the closest votes we've had for a while.
 
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Uhhhh, that's much, much too specific for the "about the system part" and the "tragic stories about other people" is a bit...problematic. The intent's good but the wording still has major issues.
 
Ugolino said:
Uhhhh, that's much, much too specific for the "about the system part" and the "tragic stories about other people" is a bit...problematic. The intent's good but the wording still has major issues.
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How's this look? Did a little tweaking there, a little snip-and-trim there, a little Polymerization . . .

[ ] Some of it is just things about myself that I want to share with you. Stupid of me to call them secrets at all. Just . . . weird things about me I hadn't gotten around to saying or don't fullly understand myself yet.
[ ] Past that though . . . Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. Some of it's just strange, or things I know that aren't easy to explain.
[ ] The worst of it, though, I won't lie; it's horrible. I'm trying to make it less so, but right now it's just horrible.
[ ] But there is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, or that would make me leave.
[ ] Wait for her reaction
-[ ] If she changes the topic or wants time to think, before asking further questions go along with it and talk about more light hearted things
-[ ] If she asks about something you just told her, do that next update

As for why it's got 'weird things about me' and 'some of it's just strange' in separate lines . . . well, let's face it, Madoka Magica is a helluva drug and we all know it. Asunaro or Rebellion, take your pick if a specific's needed.
 
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Baroque said:
How's this look? Did a little tweaking there, a little snip-and-trim there, a little Polymerization . . .

[ ] Some of it is just things about myself that I want to share with you. Stupid of me to call them secrets at all. Just . . . weird things about me I hadn't gotten around to saying or don't fullly understand myself yet.
[ ] Past that though . . . Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. Some of it's just strange, or things I know that aren't easy to explain.
[ ] The worst of it, though, I won't lie; it's horrible. I'm trying to make it less so, but right now it's just horrible.
[ ] But there is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, or that would make me leave.
[ ] Wait for her reaction
-[ ] If she changes the topic or wants time to think, before asking further questions go along with it and talk about more light hearted things
-[ ] If she asks about something you just told her, do that next update

As for why it's got 'weird things about me' and 'some of it's just strange' in separate lines . . . well, let's face it, Madoka Magica is a helluva drug and we all know it. Asunaro or Rebellion, take your pick.
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I think there should still be some mention that some things are the secrets of other people and we would need their permission for telling them.
I'm not horribly attached to any of the wording of my vote. I just wanted to make a vote, that separates the things we want to tell her more clearly in different categories and let's Mami decide whether she want to hear it now, later or even never without any input from us.

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[] Some of it is just things about myself that I want to share with you. Stupid of me to call them secrets at all. Just... weird things about me I hadn't gotten around to saying or don't fullly understand myself yet.
[] Past that though... some are other people's secrets that I can't tell wtout their permission. A few things I feel guilty about. Some things I know that aren't easy to explain.
[] The worst of it, though, it's bad. I won't lie. There are some horrible things that I'm trying to change.
[] But there is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, or that would make me leave.
[] Wait for her reaction
-[] If she changes the topic or wants time to think, before asking further questions go along with it and talk about more light hearted things
-[] If she asks about something you just told her, do that next update

Good, bad, ugly?
 
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Guilop said:
I think there should still be some mention that some things are the secrets of other people and we would need their permission for telling them.
I'm not horribly attached to any of the wording of my vote. I just wanted to make a vote, that separates the things we want to tell her more clearly in different categories and let's Mami decide whether she want to hear it now, later or even never without any input from us.
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I forget; have we previously not mentioned some of the stuff as things that require the permission of others? Alternatively, if we haven't already done that, we could always explain that detail if/when we drop the metabomb, considering that I'm fairly sure that the lion's share of the secrets-that-aren't-ours-to-tell are facets of our metaknowledge (correct me if I'm wrong).
 
Guilop said:
I think there should still be some mention that some things are the secrets of other people and we would need their permission for telling them.
I'm not horribly attached to any of the wording of my vote. I just wanted to make a vote, that separates the things we want to tell her more clearly in different categories and let's Mami decide whether she want to hear it now, later or even never without any input from us.

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Possible changes in red:
[] Some of it is just things about myself that I want to share with you. Stupid of me to call them secrets at all. Just... weird things about me I hadn't gotten around to saying or don't fullly understand myself yet.
[] Past that though... some are other people's secrets that I can't tell wtout their permission. A few things I feel guilty about. Some things I know that aren't easy to explain.
[] The worst of it, though, it's bad. I won't lie. There are some horrible things that I'm trying to change.
[] But there is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, or that would make me leave.
[] Wait for her reaction
-[] If she changes the topic or wants time to think, before asking further questions go along with it and talk about more light hearted things
-[] If she asks about something you just told her, do that next update

Good, bad, ugly?
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Solves my main kneejerk objection to the vote, yeah.
 
Baroque said:
I forget; have we previously not mentioned some of the stuff as things that require the permission of others? Alternatively, if we haven't already done that, we could always explain that detail if/when we drop the metabomb, considering that I'm fairly sure that the lion's share of the secrets-that-aren't-ours-to-tell are facets of our metaknowledge (correct me if I'm wrong).
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We have told her, but it was a bit offhand when she was startzing to get a fear overload. Can't hurt to say it again. We also said a few of the other things before as well.

You take another deep breath. "Mami... There are... some things I haven't told you. I..." You swallow, watching her expression anxiously. "I don't want to keep secrets from you, Mami, but some of them aren't mine to tell, and... I'm not sure how to talk about some of the others."

You stop, still watching Mami's expression. A complex mess swirls in her eyes, that same fear from before making a return, and denial, and desperation. She licks her lips. "I... Sabrina, I."

"Mami," you say urgently, desperately, still holding her hands tightly in hers. "I don't want to keep these secrets from you. B-but. Some of them aren't mine to tell, and some... I'm don't... I'm not sure how to tell you."
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Edit: Updated my original vote with the revisions.
 
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We can demonstrate our knowledge of other people's secrets without violating anyone's trust. Mami already knows what happened to Kyoko.

Not saying to do it now, but something to consider if she asks.
 
[x] Some of it is just things about myself that I want to share with you. Stupid of me to call them secrets at all. Just... weird things about me I hadn't gotten around to saying or don't fullly understand myself yet.
[x] Past that though... there are some tragic stories about other people that I can't tell without permission. A few things I feel guilty about. Some things I know that aren't easy to explain.
[x] The worst of it, though, it's bad. I won't lie. It's something horrible about the system that I hope to change.
[x] But there is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, or that would make me leave.
[x] Wait for her reaction
-[x] If she changes the topic or wants time to think, before asking further questions go along with it and talk about more light hearted things
-[x] If she asks about something you just told her, do that next update

Looks good. Has a better explanation of the secrets.
 
The only issue is that it doesn't actually tell her the secrets...and the line about "do that next update"...But that's just a matter of approach.
 
Yea, on one hand this is delicate, and requires care.
On the other hand, this conversation has been dragged out quite a bit, and some of us are starting to get a bit impatient (which risks Sabrina getting impatient, at least somewhat so).

I'm still siding with Ugo's conditional reveal this update vote, but I can see why some people would like a dedicated reaction vote for it IF it comes up by Mami.
 
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Under the Radar pt. 25
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    • "Some of it's..." you press your lips together, mulling over how best to put it. "Some of it's just things about... myself that I want to share with you, Mami. It's... kinda stupid for me to call them secrets at all. Just... things I haven't gotten around to saying, or... things that don't make sense. That I don't understand myself, yet."

    Mami remains looking up at you, anxiety growing in her eyes. "S-Sabrina, y-you-"

    You shake your head, sighing. "Beyond that... there's some... tragic stories about... other people that aren't mine to tell," you say halting, picking your way around the words. "That I can't tell without permission. A few things I feel... guilty for. Some things I know that aren't easy to explain."

    Mami reaches up to you. "Sabrina, I... you d-don't- It's a-alright, y-you're... I-I. I'm s-sure it's not s-so bad."

    A deep breath, as Mami watches you in worry. "The worst of it, though, it's bad," you say, grimacing unhappily. "I won't lie. It's something... horrible... about the system that I hope to change."

    It's who you are, really, right from the start. System breaking. The system breaking magical girl.

    You shake your head. "But," you say, bringing a smile to your face, one that, you hope, shows the depth of your regard for Mami. "There is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, and nothing that would make me leave."

    Golden eyes blink up at you, before she slowly nods. "Al... alright," she says. Moving slowly, she returns to leaning against you, hugging you tightly again. You return the hug, suppressing a sigh.

    What Mami needs most is time. Time and friends who'll stick by her. She has the latter, in you, and Madoka, and Sayaka, and yes, even Homura. Time... You do sigh. You can't help but wonder if something's moving behind the scenes, to cause future trouble for you, perhaps. You'd... you'd had a feeling Oriko would be your enemy, and yet, now she's apparently happy to while her days away with Kirika.

    Didn't she say she wouldn't live to see Walpurgisnacht?

    And she's... simply content to spend her time in her mansion, being a happy couple with Kirika?

    ... If you put it that way, there are worse ways to spend your last days alive, you suppose.

    But then again, is Oriko really the type? A fatalistic seer, happy to passively wait for her death?

    Perhaps, perhaps not. You're probably being paranoid.

    Then again, there's also Kyuubey, wandering around, probably stirring up problems for you, since it's a dick like that. Combat and chaos and conflict are good for magical girls, after all. Or bad, depending on your point of view. And... ugh. Asunaro. And goodness knows what else might be stirring under the radar, what you might have missed.

    Mami remains cuddled into your side, the slow pulse of her heartbeat, the movement of her chest the only motions she makes.

    "Mami?" you ask softly.

    "Sabrina?" she looks up at you, shifting slightly so that she doesn't have to crane her neck back too far.

    You give her a soft smile, adjusting your hug around her. "Nothing serious. Just thinking, maybe we should try and watch that mecha anime Sayaka mentioned, some time."

    Mami blinks at you, before nodding. "That sounds good," she says.

    "Do you watch any shows, actually?" you ask curiously.

    "Ahh... I w-was actually t-thinking about watching that s-show about m-magical g-girls," Mami says hesitantly. "B-but..."

    "Ah," you say.

    The conversation lapses, and Mami shifts to lean against you again.

    You glance at the clock. It's about nine thirty, now. Late enough to consider sleeping, perhaps. Or perhaps enough time to tell Mami a little bit of the secrets?

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    • Well, just as I suspected would happen, all that debate was moot as Mami did not ask on her own.

    So, since she is not asking or even showing interest currently, I say we should just relax and/or go to bed now, and maybe tell her in the morning or later tomorrow, depending on how things go tomorrow morning.
     
    I would like to be able to tell her tonight, but I suppose it can wait until tomorrow. On that note, she didn't ask, but then that's likely to be her fear of Sabrina leaving more than anything else.
     
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