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SailorMidgard said:
That was whom I meant all along with "being in the wrong part of the afterlife" -who throws a starving ,half-crazed man into hell for cannibalism of the dead ? Dante, obviously...
So who is this other count supposed to be if not Ugo, as I thought from context?
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Reading up on Ugolino, knowing what I do about the period- Dante did nothing wrong there.
But that's off topic.

[X] Ugolino
 
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[x] Ugolino
No. of votes: 1
noahgab1133

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x]See if she'll let you change the subject to something happier. Does she want to keep talking about it?
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
No. of votes: 1
Cannongerbil

[x] Some of it is pretty tame. The worst can drive magical girls to murder-suicide.
No. of votes: 1
Aranfan

[X] Some of it's pretty tame...or just really, really weird, but the worst of it...is really bad. Thankfully...I think I can fix it, at least partially.
No. of votes: 4
Higure, defenestrator, landcollector, Krecart

[x] Do things.
No. of votes: 1
Torgamous

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x] To start with: I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[x] This and other things made me come to the conlusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
No. of votes: 1
Jackercracks

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x]About the weird stuff...I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[x] This and other things made me come to the conclusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
No. of votes: 14
Ugolino, Muramasa, Sereg, MagusBlack, lavanderjasmine, techsy730, Gadjo, boonerunner, EtchedSteel, theauthor, Onmur, o3o, aeqnai, TheSlayers

[x] Well.. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is kindergarten best friend secrets, and 10 is the literal end of the world, I'd say it mainly ranges between, uh... 1 and 10.
[x] Different people might rate different things at different levels, of course, and maybe I'm guessing at some of them wrong, but there's stuff all up and down the scale.
[x] It's a lot to take in. I didn't mean to scare you like that, I just.. I want to show you that you're my friend, instead of just saying so. That I trust you, and I depend on you. But it's not fair to do that if you don't know why I... do stuff. Of course it's also not fair to burden you with all of this, either.
[x] Wait for her to respond, either to continue, or to set things aside.
No. of votes: 1
Kinematics

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. WhateverMami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x]About the weird stuff...I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[X] I am not to sure what to make out of this, but it seems as if I am best suited to try and fix the whole Magical Girl mess , so I guess I will try my best.But I want your support and help, Mami, because you are very, very important to me...
No. of votes: 1
SailorMidgard

[x] Ugo-kun.
No. of votes: 1
AuraTwilight

[X] Ugo-senpai
No. of votes: 1
AnonymousRabbit

[x] The Count of Donoratico
No. of votes: 1
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Maintaining that this vote won't work like you want it to. Saying nothing but "Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie." is basically abbreviating the response to her question and hoping that she doesn't dwell on it because we move on. It doesn't really address why she asked that question, either. You tell Mami that it is "pretty bad", you need to address how she's going to feel about that immediately. Because Mami here is trying to determine how she should respond to some nebulous secret hovering over both her life and our relationship, while accepting that we don't really want to tell her (and bless her for that). And finally it doesn't bother putting what we do end up sharing with Mami into a context that isn't "secrets", which is all sorts of wrong for the mild content we're going to inform her of.


Muramasa said:
Your posts would be more helpful with suggestions on improving the vote. Not just criticizing the current vote.
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Look, I appreciate that you want my input. But I get maybe two days a week where I can make sit around and make big analysis posts and discuss nuances with people who disagree with me or whatever. Those are also the days I might find it in me to lead a bandwagon, if I have a good idea that is worded well enough to stand up to critiques and against other good options, in the ~5 or so hours I'm around to adjust it and promote it.

Today I have something like two half hour periods to devote mental effort to good, constructive posts, if I chose to spend them on this forum. That's why I bother myself with analyzing things and suggesting longer-term plans on the days I have time for it, because I can't be around to make careful suggestions for every vote.

The fact is, I've been encouraging a 'positively re-contextualize what we present to Mami' approach for a large part of the past two to three days. When I say that we can't present our theories about our origins or the knowledge in our head after giving Mami what amounts to an "it's as bad as you think it is", I'm trying to build on things I've already said and suggested. In fact, Mami is specifically asking us to put our secrets in a context she can deal with. The current bandwagon gives lip service to this idea at best.

I hope I don't sound angry about this, but it's frustrating to me how posts that don't contain votes rarely affect anything, when they're pretty much all I'm ever going to be able to make.



Anyway, all that said, here is my suggestion on how to start things off:

[] Some of it is just things about myself that I want to share with you. Stupid of me to call them secrets at all. Just... weird things about me I hadn't gotten around to saying.
[] Past that though... there are some tragic stories about other people that I can't tell without permission. A few things I feel guilty about. Some things I know that aren't easy to explain.
[] The worst of it, though, it's bad. I won't lie. It's something horrible about the world that I hope to change.
[] But there is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, or that would make me leave.





I am now heading to the shower and then to bed. Good night.
 
So, something like?

[] Some of it is just things about myself that I want to share with you. Stupid of me to call them secrets at all. Just... weird things about me I hadn't gotten around to saying.
[] Past that though... there are some tragic stories about other people that I can't tell without permission. A few things I feel guilty about. Some things I know that aren't easy to explain.
[] The worst of it, though, it's bad. I won't lie. It's something horrible about the world that I hope to change.
[] But there is nothing that changes how highly I think of you, or that would make me leave.
[]Ask about her.
[] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
--[]About the weird stuff...I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
--[] This and other things made me come to the conclusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
 
Hmm, I still think we are falling back into the bad habits of exact wording, though thankfully, there isn't as much debate over exact word choice these past few votes. The debates have been things over our actual approach, order, and emphasis, things that would come up even if we avoided exact wording.

Probably something to keep an eye out for in the future, unless the reason why it was brought up in the first place (debates about the vote that were not of substance) becomes an issue again.
 
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Ugolino said:
@SynchronizedWritersBlock

That wording seems completely reasonable, even if the second line is problematic. The main difference between the votes is the order and emphasis, isn't it?
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There appears to be a bit more detail, too (the ones your vote calls strange are directly said to be about us and there's a mention of secrets that aren't ours). Yours has "I hope things will get better" while his has "I'm going to change this", and his is a bit more vehement in the reassurance (which is admittedly always nice). But yeah, the difference doesn't look to me to be quite as drastic as his post seems to imply.
 
Torgamous said:
There appears to be a bit more detail, too (the ones your vote calls strange are directly said to be about us and there's a mention of secrets that aren't ours). Yours has "I hope things will get better" while his has "I'm going to change this", and his is a bit more vehement in the reassurance (which is admittedly always nice). But yeah, the difference doesn't look to me to be quite as drastic as his post seems to imply.
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Yeah, and it seems like a good alternative wording that I'd reread if my eyes didn't feel like they're trying to crawl out of my head...Not sold on saying "We're working on changing this" but...
 
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