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[x] "Well.. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is kindergarten best friend secrets, and 10 is the literal end of the world, I'd say it mainly ranges between, uh... 1 and 10."
[x] "Different people might rate different things at different levels, of course, and maybe I'm guessing at some of them wrong, but there's stuff all up and down the scale."
[x] "It's a lot to take in. I didn't mean to scare you like that, I just.. I want to show you that you're my friend, instead of just saying so. That I trust you, and I depend on you. But it's not fair to do that if you don't know why I... do stuff. Of course it's also not fair to burden you with all of this, either."
[x] Wait for her to respond, either to continue, or to set things aside.
 
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Kinematics said:
[x] "Well.. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is kindergarten best friend secrets, and 10 is the literal end of the world, I'd say it mainly ranges between, uh... 1 and 10."
[x] "Different people might rate different things at different levels, of course, and maybe I'm guessing at some of them wrong, but there's stuff all up and down the scale."
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I love this as a method of letting someone know the world might end, but for the current situation it sounds a bit too flippant.
 
Guys - how sure are we REALLY Sabrina is literally 8 Days old)? For if we are not sure , well, then telling about the Self-bomb in full is not needed.
Also, I assumed , judging by observed behavior, we are already ( perhaps without saying it out loud PUSHING Sabrina /Mami ... It is my opinion that we should see Sabrina as a developing Personality ; when this will be pver or perhaps even sooner, we are going to have a relatively complete PERSON at our hands...
I agree Mami, as of now , is not in a state to make sane decisions about her "romantic" life . That said, weell ... Sabrina/Mami does compute.
OH, and my Take on Madoka is that she always was a incredibly self-sacrificing person, but the near sucidal messiah complex is somehow the result of Homura keeping her from amounting to something harder and harder every loop... Willingness to suffer and die for your friends and a good cause, however , is a sign of Nobility of spirit ,if not taken to ridicoulous extremes, not an Indication of deep-seated mental issues .Yeesh, be a bit less cynical.
And now to my emendation of plan Ugolino:
Sereg said:
This is why I reversed the order earlier.

Still, I'm happy with the current version.

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x] To start with: I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[X] I am not to sure what to make of this , but it seems I am especially suited for trying to fix the problems of the Magical girls, so I guess its up to me.
[X] But no matter what , you are very, very dear to me , so...
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Yeah, I think that works.

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x]About the weird stuff...I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[x] This and other things made me come to the conclusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
 
For some reason or another I would rather not shove the selfbomb down Mamis throat all at once... Can't we do it gradually? not lying, but ease her into it? Rememder, we still have to witchbomb her, too...
 
Guys, how about we lay off the bombs for the rest of the night and just uncoil? We don't need to shove all the bombs down her throat tonight, just answer her question and give her some time to cool down before dropping more bombs.
 
Torgamous said:
I love this as a method of letting someone know the world might end, but for the current situation it sounds a bit too flippant.
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It's certainly less Deathly Serious than the primary alternate approach, but I think that it's partly needed. If it truly is That Bad, Sabrina acting the way she normally does becomes a bizarre distortion in reality. There has to be a reason that Sabrina doesn't act as if the weight of the world is on her shoulders all the time, and part of the reason is that it's not.

Focusing so much on all the horrible, horrible, "I can't tell you it's so bad" stuff just emphasizes how weak Mami is (in her mind), because Sabrina can weather all this gracefully, while Mami completely breaks down from even a hint of it. There needs to be a strong reassurance that not everything is end-of-the-world, and even of the stuff that is, you can be semi-casual about it. It's serious, yes, but... well, ironically, it's not the end of the world.
 
We can weather it because that's the reason for our existence. It's got nothing to do with Mami being weak. That's one of the reasons I've been pushing the "self-bomb". We know that it doesn't have to be that bad.
 
Extra reasoning for the 1-10 scale: It gives Mami something concrete to measure against for whatever she thinks she's ready to deal with in the secrets category (if anything, at the moment), and gives us an idea of what range of topics are allowable.

Sereg said:
We can weather it because that's the reason for our existence. It's got nothing to do with Mami being weak. That's one of the reasons I've been pushing the "self-bomb". We know that it doesn't have to be that bad.
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You don't seem to be able to see this issue from Mami's point of view.
 
Kinematics said:
Extra reasoning for the 1-10 scale: It gives Mami something concrete to measure against for whatever she thinks she's ready to deal with in the secrets category (if anything, at the moment), and gives us an idea of what range of topics are allowable.
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I'm pretty sure she'll demand answers if we imply the world might be ending because of secrets we know. I would. You would, I bet. Then she'll be terrified of the end of the world and we'll either have pissed off Homura or Mami, depending on if we tell her or clam up. Might even shoot Madoka and Homura if she get's sufficiently righteous.

I mean shit, if someone tells you the world might end you get answers. That is not the kind of thing you can justify remaining ignorant about once you know the possibility is there.

Edit: the more I think about it the more I think Oriko had the right idea. Killing Homura and Madoka is pretty morally justifiable considering the whole universe ending thing.
 
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[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. WhateverMami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x]About the weird stuff...I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[x] This and other things made me come to the conclusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
 
Jackercracks said:
Edit: the more I think about it the more I think Oriko had the right idea. Killing Homura and Madoka is pretty morally justifiable considering the whole universe ending thing.
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She made a mistake pretty common in fictional futuresight: acting rashly because of vague clues. OM aside, that tends to end badly, usually with them bringing about whatever they set out to prevent for maximum irony.
 
Gadjo said:
She made a mistake pretty common in fictional futuresight: acting rashly because of vague clues. OM aside, that tends to end badly, usually with them bringing about whatever they set out to prevent for maximum irony.
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And in a way, OM was one link in a chain that eventually led to the rise of the Akuma. I've heard it commented before that it shares some themes in common with Rebellion, especially with Homura's determination to protect Madoka despite Madoka's own wishes.
 
[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. WhateverMami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x]About the weird stuff...I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[x] This and other things made me come to the conclusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
 
So yeah, defective vote tally naming aside, there seem to be two main wagons and a general consensus for saying something with the main question being if we want to add a conditional in case she presses us.

Vote tally:
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[x] Ugolino
No. of votes: 1
noahgab1133

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x]See if she'll let you change the subject to something happier. Does she want to keep talking about it?
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
No. of votes: 1
Cannongerbil

[x] Some of it is pretty tame. The worst can drive magical girls to murder-suicide.
No. of votes: 1
Aranfan

[X] Some of it's pretty tame...or just really, really weird, but the worst of it...is really bad. Thankfully...I think I can fix it, at least partially.
No. of votes: 4
Higure, defenestrator, landcollector, Krecart, defenestrator, landcollector, Krecart

[x] Do things.
No. of votes: 1
Torgamous

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x] To start with: I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[x] This and other things made me come to the conlusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
No. of votes: 1
Jackercracks

[x]Some of it's pretty bad, Mami. I won't lie. Some of it is just...strange. Things I can't really explain, or that don't make sense to me right now. But none of it's something that'd make me leave...and I think things will get better.
[x]Ask about her.
[x] I know this is a lot to hear right now, Mami. Do you want to hear some of it tonight, or do you want to just relax? I'm okay with either.
-[x]Just talk about light-hearted things. Whatever Mami wants to bring up.
-[x]If she seems to be doing okay and wants to know...
[x]About the weird stuff...I know a lot more things than I should, and not just the stuff that I need to tell you, but also more mundane things like languages, math, science, strategy, medicine, the magic system, and so much more, are all stuffed inside my head. That's what I meant by things that don't make sense.
[x] This and other things made me come to the conclusion that I'm only 8 days old. Pretty sure, anyway. No, I don't think I have amnesia, anymore. I literally don't have a past prior to last Sunday. I don't know where I'm from or how I got here, but I think that before then...I didn't exist.
No. of votes: 5
Ugolino, Muramasa, Sereg, Muramasa, Sereg, MagusBlack, lavanderjasmine

[x] Well.. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is kindergarten best friend secrets, and 10 is the literal end of the world, I'd say it mainly ranges between, uh... 1 and 10.
[x] Different people might rate different things at different levels, of course, and maybe I'm guessing at some of them wrong, but there's stuff all up and down the scale.
[x] It's a lot to take in. I didn't mean to scare you like that, I just.. I want to show you that you're my friend, instead of just saying so. That I trust you, and I depend on you. But it's not fair to do that if you don't know why I... do stuff. Of course it's also not fair to burden you with all of this, either.
[x] Wait for her to respond, either to continue, or to set things aside.
No. of votes: 1
Kinematics
 
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Ugo, my amended paraphrase of your proposal was not counted.
Also, Oriko was not acting morally or we would have to admit the Incubators are doing so ,too. I am sure this is the conclusion Urobuchi wants us to draw , but We are here to be better than that, literally...
 
SailorMidgard said:
Ugo, my amended paraphrase of your proposal was not counted.
Also, Oriko was not acting morally or we would have to admit the Incubators are doing so ,too. I am sure this is the conclusion Urobuchi wants us to draw , but We are here to be better than that, literally...
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This post?
SailorMidgard said:
Guys - how sure are we REALLY Sabrina is literally 8 Days old)? For if we are not sure , well, then telling about the Self-bomb in full is not needed.
Also, I assumed , judging by observed behavior, we are already ( perhaps without saying it out loud PUSHING Sabrina /Mami ... It is my opinion that we should see Sabrina as a developing Personality ; when this will be pver or perhaps even sooner, we are going to have a relatively complete PERSON at our hands...
I agree Mami, as of now , is not in a state to make sane decisions about her "romantic" life . That said, weell ... Sabrina/Mami does compute.
OH, and my Take on Madoka is that she always was a incredibly self-sacrificing person, but the near sucidal messiah complex is somehow the result of Homura keeping her from amounting to something harder and harder every loop... Willingness to suffer and die for your friends and a good cause, however , is a sign of Nobility of spirit ,if not taken to ridicoulous extremes, not an Indication of deep-seated mental issues .Yeesh, be a bit less cynical.
And now to my emendation of plan Ugolino:
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It won't count votes inside quotes, if that's the one you mean? Repost it?
 
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