About the Hivemind:
Urobuchi said that Kyubey's presence is world wide. This could of course mean that Kyubey is the only incubator for earth or that several incubators exist and they operate all around the world. I tend to believe the former. (This would also explain his interest in Juubey, as he was supposed to be the only incubator around and was interested in meeting another one even if it was artificial.)
In Kazumi Magica (Yes, I know) Kyubey himself says that incubators have no individual consciousness, but are more like a network terminal for one single consciousness.

So I think the there is no Hive Mind, but one single Mind controlling multiple cloned bodies. Must be great at multitasking.

[X] Cannongerbil
 
It's late at night and I wondered, 'what if there's more than one Incubator? Kyubey's name and Juubey's name hint at a number theme, after all.' Then this happened.

Einbey: "So, how are things in South America?"

Dosbey: "Not as many contractees as would be optimal. I must confess, Spain was more profitable."

Yembey: "Da, running of the bulls was best idea in centuries for getting contractees. Second only to Olympics!"

Liubey: "Indeed. Though, sometimes it is better when humans drive themselves to it."

Tribey: "Or nature; that potato famine was a blessing of the universe."

Sevbey: "Yeah; that and tax season! The only thing better for contracts here is Christmas."

Sitbey: "I can't even begin to tell how much of my job humans have managed to make easier for me."

Ngabey: "Nature's been generous to me. So many new contracts, and some of them just make the wildlife worse. I don't even have to hide myself from anyone anymore, and some of the locals even hunt Familiars without contracting."

Every other Incubator at the gathering -- situated at a bar for pets somewhere in France -- turned to their co-worker of the Australian continent.

Ngabey: " . . . They succeed, yes. Sometimes I get a contract from a daughter looking to join her father in hunting them. It zeros out."

Kyubey: "I just don't understand them sometimes."

The heads now all turn to Kyubey.

Kyubey: "I have a magical girl that's off our records who likes using me for target practice, one of the best prospects in history who won't contract, and the strangest notion that perhaps I have erred sometime in the past despite having no recollection of it. I just don't understand."

Yembey pushes a shot glass over to Kyubey; naturally, it's full of vodka.

Yembey: "Drink, comrade. Sometimes, it is good to indulge in a human vice."

Murmured agreements in various languages, from the Eastern tongues of Liubey and Kyubey to the habitual cursing of Tribey, become accompanied by solemn drinking. The Incubators may not feel emotion, but over centuries of contact with humankind they have evolved an uncanny simulacrum of one of them: exasperation.

And yes, I know that Ngabey does break theme, but 'who' in their right mind tries to find an aboriginal number 8? : |

Answer: Not even the Incubators.
 
About the Hivemind:
Urobuchi said that Kyubey's presence is world wide. This could of course mean that Kyubey is the only incubator for earth or that several incubators exist and they operate all around the world. I tend to believe the former.
I personally believe that the latter is more plausible, that each individual incubator has her own assigned jurisdiction, from which they need to extract enough energy to meet their quota.

Incidentally, Incubator is really more of a job title than a species name, but we call the species that because That's the only name we know them by. This is how little we know about their civilization.
 
It's late at night and I wondered, 'what if there's more than one Incubator? Kyubey's name and Juubey's name hint at a number theme, after all.'
It doesn't. Juubey's name is short for "juuzoku suru inkyubeytaa," which means something like "the Incubator who follows us." Also, he's not real.

As for Kyubey himself, we know that he was active in Asunaro, in wherever Suzune takes place, and in medieval France, and we've seen groups of Kyubeys in Rebellion who look identical to him and speak with the same voice. There could be other varieties of Incubator out there, but it's not supported by all the evidence we've seen.
 
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I personally believe that the latter is more plausible, that each individual incubator has her own assigned jurisdiction, from which they need to extract enough energy to meet their quota.

Incidentally, Incubator is really more of a job title than a species name, but we call the species that because That's the only name we know them by. This is how little we know about their civilization.
Do we know how homura know the kyubey real name a.k.a incubator?
 
It doesn't. Juubey's name is short for "juuzoku suru inkyubeytaa," which means something like "the Incubator who follows us." Also, he's not real.
Well aware of the 'not real' one, but that it wasn't a pun on 10? Woooooooooops. Ah well, the erroneous idea was at least good for crazy-fuel.
 
It doesn't. Juubey's name is short for "juuzoku suru inkyubeytaa," which means something like "the Incubator who follows us." Also, he's not real.
Pretty sure it means something along the lines of subjugated. The short form is also a pun on 10, although yes, it isn't an official naming scheme for the incubators.

Actually, considering how the name Kyubey came about, I'm reasonably certain that all incubators active on earth are known by the name Kyubey. It most likely isn't their actual name, though, it's really more of a job title than an actual name.
Do we know how homura know the kyubey real name a.k.a incubator?
...no we don't. She just name dropped it in episode 8. Presumably the incubators told her in one of the timelines, but yeah, we don't have confirmation of the exact circumstances.

We probably should ask her how she discovered that at some point.
 
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Pretty sure it means something along the lines of subjugated. The short form is also a pun on 10, although yes, it isn't an official naming scheme for the incubators.

Actually, considering how the name Kyubey came about, I'm reasonably certain that all incubators active on earth are known by the name Kyubey. It most likely isn't their actual name, though, it's really more of a job title than an actual name.

...no we don't. She just name dropped it in episode 8. Presumably the incubators told her in one of the timelines, but yeah, we don't have confirmation of the exact circumstances.

We probably should ask her how she discovered that at some point.
Well that one mystery solved, thanks
:oI'M ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
 
Especially since he specifically states:


Bold is mine.



I'll have to remember to read those. Personally I enjoy this video to explain Entropy.



Kyubey does state that they were looking for a system not bound by the laws of Thermodynamics so it could possibly be viewed as outside of the system.



Maybe. We don't really know anything about what they want. We just know that they want large amounts of grief for something.



By my estimates somewhere between 4.7m and 15.8m grief seeds are consumed every year. So it's more like in the 470m to 1.58 billion times range but as someone else commented Homura is adding entire universes worth of karma to Madoka's potential which is crazy.


As an aside I've been working on a google doc with all sorts of sciency stuff for those interested. Not an actual scientist so I've likely used words/terms wrong and there is probably flaws in my methodology but it is at the very least a start.
Awesome document! I just thought I should note that I fixed a spelling error just now--that was the extent of the 'recent changes by tamzyn dusk'. :V
 
The next time we try touching Kyubey with a ten-foot pole, let's ask him if he's an individual amongst his kind (with myriad spare bodies), or if he's part of some sort of hive mind.

Somehow this seems like a relatively safe question to ask him idly whilst he chugs Grief.

I think a lot of people are afraid of asking him questions because they think he will ask us questions and expect us to answer, and the "points, not wording" vote principle doesn't leave a lot of room for information control.
 
@Random832
Minimizing interaction prevents us from letting things slip, yes, and he's asking more questions than we should be comfortable with. We are not going to be able to out-social the bunnycat (Exhibit A: Homura) and the less we talk to him, the less he'll have to work from. Even not answering a question is enough to give him something to work from, so better to just have a blanket avoidance policy.

@Cannongerbil
For when you get back, here are the thoughts I was writing:
A. The most important thing we should remember: the Incubators are our enemy and the enemy of every magical girl, and that is never going to change, no matter what we try to do. No matter how he hides it, Kyubey wants as much grief/energy as possible, as fast as possible, and will do anything to get it.

B. Their goals and ours are completely incompatible, and we should keep that in mind. We want to save all Puella Magi and minimize contracts. They want to farm Grief, and the larger the payoff the better. Right now, that means Witches, especially high potential ones, and actively working to make things worse so they can farm. In another universe, it meant demons and cubes until they decided to to research on the basis of a story to see if a higher-payoff system was possible. They found out the Law of Cycles existed so they decided to try and harness it, which really says it all about their approach: if a higher payoff seems possible, disregard everything and everyone and try to acquire it. We simply can't trust an agreement made with something with that mindset.

As for trying to find a better system? For the incubators, that involves doing research on meguca souls. Yeah...that really doesn't sound like something to encourage or help along.

They are, by our standards, unreasonable because they will break any agreement as soon as the potential for greater profit even seems possible, coupled with arrogance/confidence that their approach is best and that there will never be consequences for said attempts.

(At the same time, they won't take 'offense' at any cold shoulder or lack of answers due to their nature. No need to worry about offending the Kyubey.)

Any attempt at cooperation beyond 'feed them grief' is doomed to failure because:
1. Kyubey will go for attempting a payoff even if it breaks a profitable existing system/results in massive death tolls. (Madoka's contract destroying all of Earth, Rebellion research into Witches and harnessing the Law of Cycles despite the risk to a functional existing system.)

2. Kyubey can't be trusted, even if you think you have a stable system with him as a partner, largely due to point 1. Case in point: daemons/grief cubes. We can never trust him not to backstab or actively work against us.

3. We CAN'T really offer a system that we know for a fact will always be more rewarding for him than Witches in terms of a)individual payoffs, b)meeting quota, c)absurdly large potentials such as Madoka meaning better rewards, and even if we did points 1. and 2. make it a lost cause. We have nothing to hold over him, nothing to offer, and no guarantee he'd uphold his end of any agreement.

Rather than throwing everything aside to try and win over an alien that's got a history of backstabbing at the first chance of a higher payoff, we can and should try and fix things for our own goals, with Kyubey getting grief as a side effect of OUR goals rather than the other way around. We're not obligated to deal with bunnycat forever. Kazumi's bullshit shows that exiling him from an area is theoretically possible, magic can do pretty much anything, and we're an OCP so I think our odds are pretty good without compromising.

Most importantly, bunnycat's a dick and I'd rather not work with the PMMMverse's most prolific serial killer. :p

tl;dr Kyubey can't be trusted, we can break the system our own way.
 
...no we don't. She just name dropped it in episode 8. Presumably the incubators told her in one of the timelines, but yeah, we don't have confirmation of the exact circumstances.

We probably should ask her how she discovered that at some point.

Do we actually know that "Incubator" is actually anything more then a title Homura made up for them that Kyubey decided to run with?

Considering that their goal is hatching Soul Gems into Grief Seeds and the egg shape of Soul Gems it's not really hard to an actual Incubator.
 
Do we actually know that "Incubator" is actually anything more then a title Homura made up for them that Kyubey decided to run with?

Considering that their goal is hatching Soul Gems into Grief Seeds and the egg shape of Soul Gems it's not really hard to an actual Incubator.
Kyubey did seem surprised by the use of the title and she did expect it to have meaning to him, so...I suspect it is his actual name/title?
 
Under the Radar pt. 16
"Yeah," you agree with Mami. "Yeah, let's go make dinner." You glance around at the others as they pull back. "You're staying for dinner, right?"

Madoka nods vigorously, her pink hair bouncing, while Sayaka gives you a listless smile. "Y-yeah, wouldn't miss you and Mami's cooking."

Homura glances from Madoka to you, and nods.

You stand, the huddled little group parting to give you room. Mami puts her hands up in a familiar gesture, and you pull her to her feet with a smile.

As you walk to the kitchen with Mami at your side, and can see Madoka give Homura an anxious, worried glance, tentatively reaching out to gently touch the girl on the back of her hand. Homura gives her a startled look in response.

You sigh as you step into the kitchen.

Mami pauses on hearing the sigh, and tugs at your sleeve, feather-light. She looks very small as she glances up at you, her shoulders hunched and apprehension swimming in her eyes. "I-I'm sorry, S-Sabrina," she whispers, voice still hoarse and wavering. "Y-yo-"

You pull her into a tight hug. "Don't be. There's nothing to be sorry for," you murmur into her hair.

Mami shakes her head. "Y-you w-wanted to tell Madoka and S-sayaka properly, b-but I-I r-ruined that," she whispers.

"No, Mami," you say. "You didn't. And I'm sorry, Mami, that I had to bring it up again." You hug her tightly, trying to comfort her.

Mami hugs you back.

A minute later, she stirs, and you loosen the hug to let her step back, keeping your arms loosely around her. You give her a smile, one that she returns, albeit weakly.

"We should prepare dinner," Mami says, scrubbing at her face with the back of her sleeve.

You take her hand again, pulling the Grief away from her Soul Gem ring with a thought. You take the time to cleanse your own, too, the Grief wisping into the air to join the marbles in your bag - you'd put the instruments away after you were done with them. "Only when you're ready, Mami," you say softly. "We can order in if you don't feel up to it."

"N-no," Mami says, putting on a smile. It's small and weak, but genuine. "We invited them over, after all."

"Alright," you say, moving towards the refrigerator and retrieving the dumplings, minced meat, and other ingredients.

Mami pulls a bag of flour out from the cabinet, and you frown, considering, before retrieving some eggs, too.

You rinse the chopping board, and start chopping up cabbage for the batter as Mami tends to a frying pan, heating it up and adding a little oil for the gyoza.

Mami already has a batch of dumplings sizzling in the covered pan by the time you're ready with the okononiyaki batter. You squint at the stove, reaching for another pan. Just enough space, you think, and you reach for another pan, shuffling beside Mami so that you're nearly hip to hip.

She shoots you a quick smile as you heat the pan, before pulling her pan lid open and beginning to lift the dumplings out with a deft touch and a pair of long, wooden chopsticks. You bump her hip lightly with your own as you pour batter into the pan with a loud hiss.

"The gyoza smells delicious," you say to Mami as you shift the pan, making sure the pancake cooks evenly.

"Thank you, Sabrina," Mami smiles at you.

Dinner doesn't take too long for you to finish, and between yourself and Mami, you bring out plates of dumplings, perfectly browned on their bottoms and steamed to perfection on their tops, with accompanying saucers of vinegar and finely sliced ginger, and a single large pancake topped with minced meat and mayonaise.

Someone's turned the television on by now, Madoka, Sayaka and Homura sitting on the plush sofa. Sayaka's unseeing gaze is locked on the television, blue eyes distant and disappointed. Similarly, Homura's keeping her eyes on the television. Mostly. If you weren't expecting it, you'd probably have missed it: lightning fast flickers of her violet eyes to Madoka, and then back to the television.

Madoka, for her part, is wringing her hands in a slow, rhythmic motion, attention divided between the two girls at her sides.

Homura's the first to notice your arrival, her gaze shifting off the television to look at you. She rises to her feet, and ghosts over to help take the plates from you.

Madoka jumps to her feet. "Ah! Let me help!" she says.

"Nah, that won't be necessary," you call over your shoulder as you turn and head back to the kitchen to grab a stack of clean plates and utensils.

When you return, Mami, Homura, Madoka and Sayaka are all seated at the table, the television still playing in the background. Mami pats the space beside her with a tentative smile, and you move over, settling down and handing out plates and chopsticks to eat with.

"This looks delicious!" Madoka says, the cheer only slightly forced.

Sayaka nods. "It does!" she says, with a little more energy than she'd had previously.

"It looks good," Homura agrees quietly as she accepts a plate and pair of chopsticks from you. Her violet eyes meet yours briefly before flicking away, back to watching Madoka.

"Thank you!" Mami says. "Shall we eat?"

A chorus of agreements later, you all dig in.

You hunt for conversational topics to break the dismal silence around the table. Can't discuss anything about Kyuubey, or entropy, or even really magic. Can't talk about what you've been doing as a magical girl. Can't talk about family, you've already gone through school as a topic.

"So..." you say, looking around. "Are there any good shows coming out?"

Madoka looks up, chewing a mouthful of gyoza and swallowing. She looks at you, a small smile on her face, and offers, "Well, there's that one flying mecha show."

Mami looks faintly interested. "Oh?"

Sayaka glances up too. She snorts, and shakes her head. "It's not very good... it's a harem anime," she says. "They should just take the boy out."

"Ah... but if they took the boy out, then they can't do romance," Madoka says.

Sayaka shrugs. "The girls are more interesting, anyway. Could just pair them up."

You blink, and look at Sayaka, then Homura, who's chewing through a mouthful of okonomiyaki. Madoka's also giving Homura a funny look, one which she transfers to you and Mami. Homura looks at you, poker face firmly in place. Mami blushes faintly, ducking her head and picking up another dumpling.

Sayaka blinks. "Did I say something wrong?"

"No... no, you didn't," you say, shaking your head with a smile.

Sayaka raises her eyebrows at you suspiciously, but seems to let the matter drop. "There's also that magical gir- ah, sorry."

Mami shakes her head. "N-no, go on," she says.

"Um, well," Sayaka says awkwardly. "It's made by that one guy, though, I forgot his name, but he always does fluffy, happy stu..." She jerks, as if she was nudged under the table, and falls silent, instead picking up her chopsticks again.

Another awkward silence ensues, and you listen to the television as the news comes on.

"...gas explosion in Sendai. Thanks to the heroic efforts of local emergency services, there have only been three fatalities so far despite extensive damage. Investigations are still ongoing as to what might have caused such a disaster. In other news..."

Three fatalities.

You suppress a sigh, and return to eating your meal.

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Hmmhmm.
 
Sayaka shrugs. "The girls are more interesting, anyway. Could just pair them up."

You blink, and look at Sayaka, then Homura, who's chewing through a mouthful of okonomiyaki. Madoka's also giving Homura a funny look, one which she transfers to you and Mami. Homura looks at you, poker face firmly in place. Mami blushes faintly, ducking her head and picking up another dumpling.
I find this more amusing than I likely should. Madoka's reaction is priceless.
 
"...gas explosion in Sendai. Thanks to the heroic efforts of local emergency services, there have only been three fatalities so far despite extensive damage. Investigations are still ongoing as to what might have caused such a disaster. In other news..."

Three fatalities.
Could've been worse. Could've been alot worse. Still could be better, and considering that the battle only started because we botched the negotiations...

What year is this set in again?
2011, sometime in April.
 
"Um, well," Sayaka says awkwardly. "It's made by that one guy, though, I forgot his name, but he always does fluffy, happy stu..." She jerks, as if she was nudged under the table, and falls silent, instead picking up her chopsticks again.


Urobutcher joke, perhaps?
 
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