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I've read through the post-update thread and compiled all the ideas we want to test:
-disguise grief from MG senses (Suppressing the 'signal' somehow? Contain in a shell of magic? Trick the detection? Disguise it somehow?)
-remove the "witchy" property from grief. separate to the above, in case the "witchy" property is a thing in itself.
-touch completely empty seed to normal seed
-figure out why grief seeds don't feel "witchy" when by rights they should
-teleport grief within our range
-alter a witch directly
-examine grief in our gem
-examine what happens to grief as it enters our gem (tiny quantities, for safety)
-does grief energy exist? does radiated heat from a grief-hot construct feel like grief?
-can we create objects with magical properties?
-can we make grief invisible?
-can we make grief into complex machinery? without knowing how said machinery works? start with, say, a laser pointer. scale up.
-can we will a barrier into being from diffuse grief? don't stand in the target area.
-can we will a familiar into being from grief? should we wait until we can examine a live familiar? I don't think it will hurt to make the attempt.
-can we give grief abnormal physical properties like gravity, repulsion, magnetism. Can we target those effects, for example, gravity that only attracts a specific object, or gravity that only affects a specific class of objects or type of matter?
-grief to light.
-grief to tesseract.
-can grief be enchanted? will require someone who can actually do enchantment, which isn't us.
-can grief be dematerialized and held in that state until we want to rematerialize it?
-can we convert grief into magic by reversing the process that creates grief in the soul gem when magic is used?
-how far can we modify grief without transmuting it? where's the line?
-does solid grief that we aren't controlling remain when outside our range?
-does solid grief that we order to remain solid do so when outside our range? in other words, can we give commands to our grief to persist?
-if there's a way to have grief persist outside our range, to what degree can we automate grief commands when outside our range?
-can we create warped space? see this experimental design, at the end of the post.
-can we create areas of warped time?
-what happens to a soul on death?
-can we replicate a witch's kiss?
-is a grief seed a transformed soul gem, or a broken soul gem? In other words, is there an extra container to the soul gem that no longer exists on a grief seed, or is the container merely warped?
-what happens to grief as we draw it from a soul gem / grief seed? examine the compression process in reverse.
-if we can warp space with grief, how does a witch produce the "separation" effect that a barrier has? in other words, can we will a spatial pocket into being, or give the grief used the property of being segregated from the normal world except through a single entrance?
-are grief prosthetics possible? or are they possible but useless outside our range? or are they not possible?
-how do transformation scenes work?
-is hope a thing or just a synonym for magic?
-Inspect your soul gem with your senses. Inspect the 'container'. How is it made? What feels like magic? What feels like grief?
-Inspect your grief seeds. Same questions.
-Summon your war hammer. How did you make it? Where did you pull it from? Scan with your grief senses. Can you alter your war hammer at all?
-Can we make or substitute a 'container'? With Magic? With Grief?
-can we will a grief seed into being?
-can grief be given properties that mimic specific types or properties of magic?
-can grief simply be specific types or properties of magic? no mimicry involved.

The ones highlighted in red could backfire without proper precautions, although there are hardly any that we shouldn't do anyway. The ones in yellow can't be done right now.
 
Rook said:
I can tell you this, at least; if you broke down every other update starting from the OP, just a bit? You would be able to figure out almost everything about PMAS. You don't even need to do it that much - high school level, if that.

Although, speaking as someone who writes with the QM a lot, I can say there will be esoteric and very subtle shoutouts to everything and their shite spin-offs.
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Well, yes. But there's a problem with that approach. You won't know if you're right or not. And you won't be able to convince others if you're right or not.

Speaking as someone who has re-read many, many updates with a critical eye, I have lots of good theories. But they aren't fit to present to the thread or act upon.
 
Off topic:
Can we make a replica of that adorable Kyoko picture and show it to her next time we see her?

I suspect she'll attempt to stab us, but it may be worth it.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Well, yes. But there's a problem with that approach. You won't know if you're right or not. And you won't be able to convince others if you're right or not.

Speaking as someone who has re-read many, many updates with a critical eye, I have lots of good theories. But they aren't fit to present to the thread or act upon.
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When has that ever stopped us?
 
Hypothesis:
Our range limitation is because our soul can only project magic out to 100m, which is an identical limit on all human souls. Similar to how the soul can only use magic to animate the body out to 100m. If that limit on our soul did not exist, we could control grief to infinite range in accordance to our wish.
Potential solutions:
Space compression/extension should extend our range if the range is physical rather than metaphysical.
Conduits for magic?
Relays?
 
Firnagzen said:
Kyyubey stares at you, its unblinking red gaze seeming to get larger and larger and swallowing up the world and
GM's note: No. I did not.
You retch again. Madoka's rubbing your back soothingly -when did she get there?- What were you doin- Right, Kyuubey. Wish. "Kyuubey? My potential?" you prompt again.
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Okay, so this bit. Anyone recall the explanation for this?
 
You don't label something GM's note unless it's separate to the story. Probably just telling us that no, we did not get swallowed up in Kyubey's head or whatever. This is not all just an Incubator dream experiment.
 
Ugolino said:
No, I don't see anything about wishing to bend hope that'd result in your expected result.

If you think an unrelated wish to control all magic everywhere would work, or that we could get Madoka to do that...Well, more power to you? But hope in and of itself? Is just an idea. Fanon aside, Madoka just wished to remove witches with the only evidence to the contrary being taking Mami's statement that a lot more literally than it warrants.
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I...you kind of misrepresented my statements somewhere along the way, I think. Either A) Wishing Madoka to be a Hope Bender means she's our counterpart as conjectured or B) this doesn't work because 'Hope' is just non-grief Magic, as you conjectures as a less-optimal scenario, and then proceeded to say this isn't weaponizeable.

And I don't see how anyone can in good faith argue that Madoka being a Magic-Bender isn't a utility if it did happen.

As for whether it WOULD happen... The thematics of the show implies that 'positive' meguca magic can basically be addressed as Hope. It's something we should verify but given how goddamn easy it was to make grief do whatever the fuck we wanted last update I think people are overthinking shit a little.
 
Have we tried bumping them with *ahem* unoccupied bodies, and seeing what happens?
 
We should have Mami or Homura or someone put our Soul Gem on a bird or something, just to see what happens.
 
So, no one answered, but I wanted to be sure: Have we done anything unusual to Hildegarde other than remove the grief, the same as we did to Aurora?
 
We should expose one of the "clean" grief seeds to magic. Is this "apathy" state induced only when it happens to a witch, or can it be done after the defeat?
 
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