Also, enough with the suspected origins stuff. Seriously, not only is the proof for that spotty at best, I've raised, on multiple occasions, the various holes that exist with that theory. The Madoka and Homura are our mommies thing is a nice joke and all, but at best it's just fanon at this point.
We're not telling her it's the truth, only that we strongly suspect it.
It doesn't need to be fucking true, it'll just be something Mami can accept as "Wow, that's some weird and heavy shit and it makes sense she'd be confused on how to break that ice."
And, you know, psychology. Telling her anything at all would help placate her for a while. People like to absorb revelations like this one at a time.
Eh. We can program Grief!Kyouko to make friends with he-
Oh my god how come we haven't thought of this before! We'll make Mami a whole horde of friends out of grief! As many as she could ever want! They'll have the loveliest dresses at the loveliest tea party and none of them will ever have to leave!
Eh. We can program Grief!Kyouko to make friends with he-
Oh my god how come we haven't thought of this before! We'll make Mami a whole horde of friends out of grief! As many as she could ever want! They'll have the loveliest dresses at the loveliest tea party and none of them will ever have to leave!
Positing it as a theory is what I suggested, anyway. How much research have we done on potential origins? I know there was a bit of abandonment nervousness on Mami's part if we found we had a life outside of what we're up to now, but even so I think she'd help us attempt to disprove the theory or search for other origins fairly happily.
A) Why Sabrina the random stranger and not Madoka herself? It is her wish, and it shouldn't transfer to a new person like that without explicit instructions to.
B) Why did the wish affect the next timeline instead of taking effect in that timeline, the way every other wish has?
C) Why the imperfect summoning? Wishes don't malfunction like this, and Madoka doesn't strike me the type of person to secretly want someone to puke themselves to death.
That was the first time I brought this up, and it ended up getting derailed by hospitals and story updates. As far as I can recall, those points still stand with the theory, point A in particular.
A)Madoka's wish meant she'd witch out due to lack of consideration for her own survival post-contract in that timeline, negating the wish's intended effect.
B)Point A.
C)A perfect summoning negates the pressing urgency for Sabrina to actually contract? Or rather, maybe the summoning worked perfectly but Sabrina needed to be dying to motivate her to make the wish?
Regardless, Madoka's wish had to have done something. If it hadn't crossed timelines, you'd have thought there'd have been some notable effect even if Homura looped almost immediately. Come to think of it, "for every wish there's an equal and opposite curse" would neatly explain the black feathers...
That was the first time I brought this up, and it ended up getting derailed by hospitals and story updates. As far as I can recall, those points still stand with the theory, point A in particular.
If I remember correctly, did Homura not say Madoka wished for someone come and fix everything? This would mean that, since no one was specified, a new person would be created, since she did not wish for anyone in particular to come and help.
So far as point B goes, that is rather odd, but I can't think of any alternatives. Chances are we came into being that day, so we were likely wished in by someone.
If I remember correctly, did Homura not say Madoka wished for someone come and fix everything? This would mean that, since no one was specified, a new person would be created, since she did not wish for anyone in particular to come and help.
So far as point B goes, that is rather odd, but I can't think of any alternatives. Chances are we came into being that day, so we were likely wished in by someone.
Plot-wise, it's extremely suspicious for us to have a near-Madoka potential, metaknowledge, and no satisfactory explanation for either even if we did exist.
For all the holes in the theory, not least of which is Sabrina's tragic brain damage , it's the best one we've got, even if we don't believe it.
The alien is silent for a minute as Madoka reaches forward with a handkerchief to wipe your face. Glancing at her, you can nearly see the golden eyes framed with flowing pink hair... You blink when Kyubey replies, and the image is gone.
That was the first time I brought this up, and it ended up getting derailed by hospitals and story updates. As far as I can recall, those points still stand with the theory, point A in particular.
Those are literally the easiest points to counter.
A) Magical Girl Madoka is the biggest ticking timebomb in the entire universe. Fixing 'everything' requires a chain of events where Madoka never contracts.
B) That timeline is already fucked and Homura was going to jump anyway.
C) Sabrina being in the state she was in was necessary to force out a contract and to justify to the rest of the universe why she's amnesiac and has no backstory to weigh her down with distracting bullshit.
When you make a wish to do something vague like 'Fix Everything', and you don't specify how, it's going to take the path of least resistance (taking into account Madoka's intent and power level). It's canonically established that Wishes distort the universe and cause an equal fallout in some way.
Which is contradictory to the intent of the wish. Which is why the most efficient, expedient, and least egregious way to fulfill that wish is to create a being with the will, knowledge, and raw power to fix absolutely everything Madoka wants fixed, and introduce them to causality early enough to prevent everything that could be a problem, such as deadmumi.
This is literally like one of the big twists of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles, wherein
Clow Reed wished that Yuuko wouldn't have to die, and in so feeling that emotion, stopped her in time so that the universe would ignore that fact...AND created a fully sapient being with nigh-equal magical powers devoted solely to the objective of properly defying Yuuko's death with no other fetters
It's the trope where, when you pose a Question or Command to a sufficiently advanced system without providing enough data, it basically has to spawn an AI to deal with it.
ALLLSO YEA we completely fucking saw Madokami when we woke up so Madoka's probably responsible for our existence in some way.
Oh yea, another big reason why the wish has to create or empower someone else to carry out Madoka's wish:
You know how we have metaknowledge? You know how Homucifer is a thing?
YOU KNOW HOW HOMURA FLIPS THE FUCK OUT AND BREAKS REALITY ON HER KNEE AND SUBJUGATES EVERYONE TO BE SLAVE-BITCHES IN HER ETERNAL LOTUS EATER MACHINE WHENEVER SHE'S INCAPABLE OF BEING THE ONE TO SAVE MADOKA?
Yea 'Fixing everything' explicitly requires Madoka not becoming a super messianic 'i save everybody' badass. If the Wish was capable of transcending the 4th dimension to predict the outcome of a-temporal retroactive reality warps to the multiverse, it'd of accounted for the above.
Playing devil's advocate, we were so far out of it at the time that we might as well have seen pink elephants.
"can nearly see the golden eyes framed with flowing pink hair."
italics mine. This was immediately after we tunnel visioned on Kyubey's eyeballs...so our mental state was pretty suspect. The point is, that isn't nearly as certain as you're making it out to be. It's suggestive yes, but nothing more.
Note that Homura does not appear to give exact wording - if we knew that then maybe we'd have a more solid basis to build our hypothesis upon.
Until we know at least that, all we have is speculation.
But also remember that while the truth of the situation is important, it is not as important as what everyone believes is the truth. Homura seems to believe that we're the result of that wish, so she'll base her actions upon that assumption.
Actually kind of inaccurate at this point. Most of us are against doing it now, it's kind of moved on to whether we trust Mami with other secrets and inform her that we will have some bad news for her down the line, or simply tell her nothing and do it all at once later. I'm for a gradual approach, myself.
, it's the best one we've got, even if we don't believe it.
