Uh, I know it's been three months to us, but in universe it's barely been over two days since we completely shattered her worldview. There is no way telling her about the witchbomb in the next two days will ever be a good idea.
Right, but we should float the idea now that we still have things to tell her, just not right now. I understand your trepidation about even approaching it, but if we just act like we have nothing else hidden, wait for her to get well again, and then slam her back down with a betrayal (since we lied to her) and some world-shattering information, Mami will have a difficult time ever trusting us again.
 
Right, but we should float the idea now that we still have things to tell her, just not right now. I understand your trepidation about even approaching it, but if we just act like we have nothing else hidden, wait for her to get well again, and then slam her back down with a betrayal (since we lied to her) and some world-shattering information, Mami will have a difficult time ever trusting us again.
What we shouldn't even be considering is just slamming the witchbomb in her face right this minute. Letting her know we have something we're not ready to talk about is one thing, but blundering right into the witchbomb while we haven't even undone the damage caused by the lich and Kyubey revelations is a seriously bad idea. A few days is not enough time for us to have helped Mami get ready for the truth.
 
What we shouldn't even be considering is just slamming the witchbomb in her face right this minute. Letting her know we have something we're not ready to talk about is one thing, but blundering right into the witchbomb while we haven't even undone the damage caused by the lich and Kyubey revelations is a seriously bad idea. A few days is not enough time for us to have helped Mami get ready for the truth.
...Which is what I just said. It's also what SWB just said. That's what we're advocating- not the full truth, just telling Mami that we haven't told her everything yet.
 
Plus, as pointed out earlier, the Witchbomb is hardly the only secret we've been keeping from her.
e: Stuff that's important, central to our being, and things she could reasonably expect us to tell her as a friend. If and when she finds out about, say, our metaknowledge or the possibility of us being a wish-construct etc., she could take the fact that we never bothered to inform her pretty badly.
 
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Dude, tell her we have metaknowledge. Let her know there's other stuff, and we don't know what to do with those things, or why we know them, and we're terrified and we don't want to hurt her but we also want her to trust us, so whether or not she hears them is her choice, and she can ask at any time, but we recommend she atleast sleep on it because oh my god this day.
 
Wasn't talking about that. Was talking about the idea floated earlier that we tell her that we kept more secrets from her.
...Which is what I just said. It's also what SWB just said. That's what we're advocating- not the full truth, just telling Mami that we haven't told her everything yet.
...Yeah, no. I don't see an outcome to telling her that "We've been keeping secrets from you" that doesn't end up as A) her weasling the witchbomb/secrets out of us before she is in a good enough state of mind to accept them or B) us refusing to tell her what the secrets are despite her badgering, and her jumping to her own conclusions.
 
I mean, shit, there are some fairly safe secrets that we just haven't brought up.
- Homura thinks we might have been brought into the world by a wish. The why involves things that aren't ours to tell, but we think it's convincing.
- Past/future metaknowledge, so long as we don't get too specific with touchy subjects. A bit of a trust issue, but nothing that can't be carefully worked around.
- A sanitized version of what threatened Oriko/Kirika with. Threatening to kill her girlfriend, or referring to it as a fate worse than death. The lowest moment of our short life.
- Time travel, with Homura's consent.

And then of course
- Witch bomb.
- The full version of what we threatened Oriko/Kirika with (aka witchbomb).


What we shouldn't even be considering is just slamming the witchbomb in her face right this minute. Letting her know we have something we're not ready to talk about is one thing, but blundering right into the witchbomb while we haven't even undone the damage caused by the lich and Kyubey revelations is a seriously bad idea. A few days is not enough time for us to have helped Mami get ready for the truth.

I don't think anyone is suggesting this, not even remotely. And your constant mis-reading into panic is, frankly, getting old fast.
 
...Yeah, no. I don't see an outcome to telling her that "We've been keeping secrets from you" that doesn't end up as A) her weasling the witchbomb/secrets out of us before she is in a good enough state of mind to accept them or B) us refusing to tell her what the secrets are despite her badgering, and her jumping to her own conclusions.
And you recommend just waiting until she's riding high to betray her again? I don't like the sound of that. We need to at least let her know that we're hiding some things from her. She felt betrayed last time when she realized we knew, and the lichbomb is small potatoes compared to the witchbomb. We can't just hide it from her for a week until she feels better and then do all of this all over again, because it'll either break her, or make her hate us. Why would she ever believe that we weren't still hiding something worse? We acted like we had revealed everything last time, so why wouldn't we do it again? I think some honesty here would be good for an eventual controlled bomb (later, not now).
 
I would prefer not touching the witchbomb with a 50 foot pole. Or at least, not until we've gotten some real progress on reversing witch outs.
 
Honestly, we probably should've done all the bombs at once. Atleast then we wouldn't have to deal with further dishonesty and having to keep ripping off her fucking bandages.

Because atleast we can tell her that we're working on a cure, unlike in most timelines. The more we wait, the worse it is.
 
I would prefer not touching the witchbomb with a 50 foot pole. Or at least, not until we've gotten some real progress on reversing witch outs.
And what do you think about at least revealing that we still have secrets to her, Perhaps (if Homura authorizes it) tell her about our suspected origins and the time loops? We don't intend to witchbomb her yet. I just don't want to drop it on her out of the blue a week from now and expect her to not be angry with us.
 
Honestly, we probably should've done all the bombs at once. Atleast then we wouldn't have to deal with further dishonesty and having to keep ripping off her fucking bandages.

Because atleast we can tell her that we're working on a cure, unlike in most timelines. The more we wait, the worse it is.
Dropping all the bombs at once makes for a suicidal Mumi, and "we may or may not be able to locally reverse a horrifying fact of meguca life at some point" is a bit too small a bandaid for yanking all of her psychological pillars out from under her at once. All at once would have likely been worse.
 
And what do you think about at least revealing that we still have secrets to her, Perhaps (if Homura authorizes it) tell her about our suspected origins and the time loops? We don't intend to witchbomb her yet. I just don't want to drop it on her out of the blue a week from now and expect her to not be angry with us.

I don't have an opinion on it yet. I'm still listening to arguments.
 
Honestly, we probably should've done all the bombs at once. Atleast then we wouldn't have to deal with further dishonesty and having to keep ripping off her fucking bandages.

Because atleast we can tell her that we're working on a cure, unlike in most timelines. The more we wait, the worse it is.
Yeah, that would have been way too much at once. She'd have been on suicide watch for a week, best case scenario.
 
Also, enough with the suspected origins stuff. Seriously, not only is the proof for that spotty at best, I've raised, on multiple occasions, the various holes that exist with that theory. The Madoka and Homura are our mommies thing is a nice joke and all, but at best it's just fanon at this point.
 
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I don't have an opinion on it yet. I'm still listening to arguments.
If we phrase it in terms of "there are things that we need to talk to her about at some point but they're not all ours to talk about and we're not sure how to talk about it" then ideally it
a)deals with the "keeping secrets from me" issue,
b)hopefully is enough to stop her from digging further then and there,
c)Gives us leeway with which secrets we bring up.

In terms of the actual Witchbombing, I don't see that changing from "put it off for as long as possible/until Mami's as psychologically stable and ready as she's going to be".

Also, enough with the suspected origins stuff. Seriously, not only is the proof for that spotty at best, I've raised, on multiple occasions, all the holes that exist with that theory. The Madoka and Homura are our mommies thing is a nice joke and all, but at best it's just fanon at this point.
It's more the absence of a plausible alternative and the fact it's the only one with some actual evidence behind it, right?
 
My view is that we shouldn't touch the Witchbomb at all yet, especially after this whole day. BUT, we still need to confess to the whole secrets thing. We've been keeping a lot of secrets, of which the Witchbomb is only one. We should at least admit to her that we have been keeping some, and maybe reveal a few, such as the existence of metaknowledge.
 
Also, enough with the suspected origins stuff. Seriously, not only is the proof for that spotty at best, I've raised, on multiple occasions, all the holes that exist with that theory. The Madoka and Homura are our mommies thing is a nice joke and all, but at best it's just fanon at this point.
It is kind of our only lead. Other than a lack of additional proof beyond the information that Homura provided us, what holes are there with that theory?
Edit: sorry for the double post. Didn't mean to do that.
 
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Positing it as a theory is what I suggested, anyway. How much research have we done on potential origins? I know there was a bit of abandonment nervousness on Mami's part if we found we had a life outside of what we're up to now, but even so I think she'd help us attempt to disprove the theory or search for other origins fairly happily.
 
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