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As SWB already said most MGs in canon had noc lue that witching out was a thing.
Adding to this:
Sendai probably doesn't know (excluding Akiko) since they had a lot of grief seeds to spare and thus didn't run into any situations where witch outs are likely.
UG said their friend got killed by a witch and they probably didn't have much contact to other meguca groups due to the extortion thing going on,
where they could have learned about it.
Fukushima and Tokyo girl may know, but don't matter in this case, since they will be gone when we reach the talking to Akiko point on the agenda.
Come to think of it, Kirika may know if Oriko told her about it.
Blugh.
One too many moving pieces. My bad on this one, I slipped up. But yeah, take it that they did.
My only major regret so far, as we near the close of the Great Meguca War arc, is that the empath never tried reading our mind.
Actually, I tell a lie. We didn't get to add Rin and Sakura the party roster, so there's another regret to count.
...Either way, I'm sure the upcoming conversation with Akiko will expand the list nicely.
Actually, I tell a lie. We didn't get to add Rin and Sakura the party roster, so there's another regret to count.
...Either way, I'm sure the upcoming conversation with Akiko will expand the list nicely.
Regarding cleanses: We've already been keeping the soul gems in our pocket clean, so it doesn't make sense to offer cleanses there. The only person likely to be actively in need of cleansing is Rin. So, we'd have to sort of nonchalantly do that while Fukushima is still watching.
General goodbye party stuff:
[] Check everyone's reactions to Fukushima's request. Determine if there are any objections.
-[] Notice Rin's gem's grief level while doing so, and give it a cleanse (and any others, if appropriate).
-[] Accede to Fukushima's request (assuming no objections); they can go.
[] Check with UG and Ueda, to see if they were ready to head home now.
-[] Ask Ueda if she had any questions for you before she returned to Tokyo.
-[] Let Sakura deal with teleporting Ueda home.
Obviously, if anyone starts asking us more questions, deal with those as appropriate.
After that, have to think about how to approach the Akiko issue. I'd like to get inside somewhere, first, because it's night, and it's raining, and it's probably cold, and we don't want all that water around when we wake Akiko up anyway.
Sendai deserves to be fully present for this, and Mami would not be happy about being left out, and we need Kirika there as a safety measure. At the same time, if witchbombs start dropping, this can get incredibly messy.
There are story inconsistencies, and problems with the fact that Sendai lied to Rin (which makes juggling the discussion problematic).
There's a paranoid part of me that's still concerned that a third party is involved. Both Ishinomaki and Akiko claimed that the other party was the one to invite them to the negotiating table. There is no reason for us to believe that Ishinomaki was lying about that. It is possible that Akiko was lying, but that bumps into the other story problem: Ishinomaki claimed that Setsuko fought a witch, then left the territory, while Akiko was convinced that Ishinomaki killed Setsuko.
While I can kind of see a setup where Akiko set up the negotiation with Ishinomaki, and then told her team that it was Ishinomaki that contacted them, to use as an excuse to fight, that really seems way too roundabout. She hardly needs to convince her team in such a deceptive way, as they've been fighting Ishinomaki for years.
At the same time, we still have Oriko's first vision: something that, when she tries to look at it, there's simply nothing there/nothing past it. She's also deathly terrified of the idea of herself or Kirika becoming a witch. There was a sense that whatever that 'thing' was in the vision, it may be able to take their powers and/or souls if they witch out, so that death is preferable.
On top of that, Oriko's vision of the post-war events indicated another huge 'thing', though in this case it seemed unrelated to the ones in her prior visions; it was just normal bad news. We still don't know if that's been averted, or is still waiting to spring on us.
So..... I'm not really sure where to start.
General goodbye party stuff:
[] Check everyone's reactions to Fukushima's request. Determine if there are any objections.
-[] Notice Rin's gem's grief level while doing so, and give it a cleanse (and any others, if appropriate).
-[] Accede to Fukushima's request (assuming no objections); they can go.
[] Check with UG and Ueda, to see if they were ready to head home now.
-[] Ask Ueda if she had any questions for you before she returned to Tokyo.
-[] Let Sakura deal with teleporting Ueda home.
Obviously, if anyone starts asking us more questions, deal with those as appropriate.
After that, have to think about how to approach the Akiko issue. I'd like to get inside somewhere, first, because it's night, and it's raining, and it's probably cold, and we don't want all that water around when we wake Akiko up anyway.
Sendai deserves to be fully present for this, and Mami would not be happy about being left out, and we need Kirika there as a safety measure. At the same time, if witchbombs start dropping, this can get incredibly messy.
There are story inconsistencies, and problems with the fact that Sendai lied to Rin (which makes juggling the discussion problematic).
There's a paranoid part of me that's still concerned that a third party is involved. Both Ishinomaki and Akiko claimed that the other party was the one to invite them to the negotiating table. There is no reason for us to believe that Ishinomaki was lying about that. It is possible that Akiko was lying, but that bumps into the other story problem: Ishinomaki claimed that Setsuko fought a witch, then left the territory, while Akiko was convinced that Ishinomaki killed Setsuko.
While I can kind of see a setup where Akiko set up the negotiation with Ishinomaki, and then told her team that it was Ishinomaki that contacted them, to use as an excuse to fight, that really seems way too roundabout. She hardly needs to convince her team in such a deceptive way, as they've been fighting Ishinomaki for years.
At the same time, we still have Oriko's first vision: something that, when she tries to look at it, there's simply nothing there/nothing past it. She's also deathly terrified of the idea of herself or Kirika becoming a witch. There was a sense that whatever that 'thing' was in the vision, it may be able to take their powers and/or souls if they witch out, so that death is preferable.
On top of that, Oriko's vision of the post-war events indicated another huge 'thing', though in this case it seemed unrelated to the ones in her prior visions; it was just normal bad news. We still don't know if that's been averted, or is still waiting to spring on us.
So..... I'm not really sure where to start.
The fact we kept raising corpses means everyone here knows the lichbomb.
Cannongerbil
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What about Akiko? Weren't we supposed to start dealing with her issues after we've settled everyone else's? Everyone else's issues seems pretty settled after this update, so are we doing the talk now or is the plan for us to just dump her onto Yumi's lap and break for a tea party?
My bit of a proposal up there is only the first half; just enough to cover sending everyone home before we start on the Akiko half. I do want to deal with Akiko, I'm just not sure where to start in that regard. The rest of the post was thoughts about that, to try to figure out how to put that into some sort of direction.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
One point about dealing with Akiko: For Madokami's sake, don't wake her up inside the Grief Oppression Fortress. She's gonna go livid enough once she figures out we disconnected her. We don't want her to feel anymore trapped than she already is.
Unless we want to totally and thoroughly break her and piece her remains together like so much broken glass.
On that note, we should ask Yumi for a place we can wake up Akiko that's away from the rain and where people won't hear her if she starts shrieking again.
Unless we want to totally and thoroughly break her and piece her remains together like so much broken glass.
On that note, we should ask Yumi for a place we can wake up Akiko that's away from the rain and where people won't hear her if she starts shrieking again.
We're just one big ball of meguca helpfulness, aren't we?The fact we kept raising corpses means everyone here knows the lichbomb.
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Part of me wonders if taking it easy like that is better reveal, but given there were no problems with that we probably didn't bomb anyone who we already hadn't bombed.The fact we kept raising corpses means everyone here knows the lichbomb.
(On the flip side, imagine Mami freaking out over soul rock plus Sabrina stealing souls thing.)
@Cannon: I have no idea why you hate that series so much. (Part, yes.)
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Muramasa
Best Girl
[x] *Nod* Go.
[x] After Fukushima is gone:
-[x] Note corruption levels. Rin probably needs a cleanse after healing Moe. Offer cleanses to any that may want them.
[x] Next step is sending Miss Ueda home if she's ready.
-[x] When she is, ask Sakura to take her home. You can refresh her grief seeds to cover travel costs afterwards.
[x] While Sakura is doing that, talk to the UG. Next step is dealing with Akiko but we should wait for Sakura to come back first.
-[x] Because the discussion can dip into some personal matters, I would 'prefer' to talk to her alone.
--[x] However the UG can be present for the resolution of the meeting.
---[x] Or if they want, they can just leave now and we'll inform them the relevant information by telepathy. It's up to them.
-[x] Before that, is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about?
Fukushima just wants to get away. I don't think offering a cleanse would be received well and they don't really need it right now anyway.
Noa might have questions for us. Hoping that doesn't need a voting prompt but it might. Leaving the decision of weather the UG should be present for Akiko up to them, as what happens to her can directly affect them, Akiko's fate is their business.
Where to take the meeting I'm reserving for next vote.
[x] After Fukushima is gone:
-[x] Note corruption levels. Rin probably needs a cleanse after healing Moe. Offer cleanses to any that may want them.
[x] Next step is sending Miss Ueda home if she's ready.
-[x] When she is, ask Sakura to take her home. You can refresh her grief seeds to cover travel costs afterwards.
[x] While Sakura is doing that, talk to the UG. Next step is dealing with Akiko but we should wait for Sakura to come back first.
-[x] Because the discussion can dip into some personal matters, I would 'prefer' to talk to her alone.
--[x] However the UG can be present for the resolution of the meeting.
---[x] Or if they want, they can just leave now and we'll inform them the relevant information by telepathy. It's up to them.
-[x] Before that, is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about?
Fukushima just wants to get away. I don't think offering a cleanse would be received well and they don't really need it right now anyway.
Noa might have questions for us. Hoping that doesn't need a voting prompt but it might. Leaving the decision of weather the UG should be present for Akiko up to them, as what happens to her can directly affect them, Akiko's fate is their business.
Where to take the meeting I'm reserving for next vote.
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[X] Muramasa
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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Works for me.
[x] Muramasa
[x] Muramasa
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We don't have to offer them anything. Cleansing Rin's gem before they go is just so they can clearly see that grief cleansing is a thing.
They might have realized it, or they might have missed it due to fighting for their lives.
If we could:
[] Give me a second.
-[] Check gems all around. Cleanse Rin's gem if it needs it, and other gems not from the Fukushima girls if necessary.
Tentatively: -[] Tell them we'd like to meet them at some point in the near future.
-[] You can go.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Onmur they didn't even want to listen to the offer. They just want to leave. Also that wording has us cleansing Rin and co. without permission.
No. I'm not thrilled with the suggestion.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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Honestly, I think if we'd just fangirled and not yelled at all it would've been fine. We'd be weird, but not suddenly hostile.
Doing both would have seemed crazy, though yeah.
AnonymousRabbit
Rabbit Faced
[X] Muramasa
Violence!
Violence!
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
We're not offering anything. Just look at our own gem and carelessly cleanse it before giving them the go ahead. It's not much at all, but it'll make things easier for next time if they have time to think about this.
Why?
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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Muramasa
Best Girl
You're missing the point. Sabrina disturbs the hell out of them. They want to get away from her.
Anyway this line of thinking is consistent with offering 'x' group a choice and then just bulling through with what we want. I'm with the others in wanting to try and put a stop to that.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
When did this become about baseball?
aeqnai
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I guess it's fine if it's for Sabrina's health of mind.