Paths of Civilization
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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@Academia Nut
Are resource locations pre-determined before game starts, or are they determined by dice roll at time of selection?
Like are survey land rolling to find or rolling to determine if resources exists?
Off to bed, hope the forest is not burnt when awake.
Are resource locations pre-determined before game starts, or are they determined by dice roll at time of selection?
Like are survey land rolling to find or rolling to determine if resources exists?
Off to bed, hope the forest is not burnt when awake.
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Depends on the synergy. If it's "A helps B" (more blackbirds helps enforce order) then it should only work if A is done before B, be it via admin rolls or via just doing it earlier. If it's "These modify each other to their mutual benefit" like the survey+canal, then they need to be done together.
This here is pretty illustrative. The particular trick they use is legitimate, it's developed for the purpose of efficacy and allows us to process new lands for cultivation effectively.
It's just that the corrupt are misusing a legitimate process, not that the process is wrong.
*Waves at Dead Priests*
Actually it seems to me that the problem is like so:
-Corruption is actually low due to our administrative structure. Normally, the nobles and kings would already be openly taking resources for their own benefit after all. It's telling that we're now hundreds of years in and only dealing with two cases of corruption.
--This is due to non-hereditary roles coupled to communal ownership. It's difficult to accrue the resources for truly large scale corruption in this system.
--There is a major moral motivation against this due to Protective Justice and For the Greater Good.
---But there is a similar motivation for it whenever Stability falls, because people don't trust authority to provide justice and do the finanical equivalent of vigilante justice.
-We're experiencing hierarchy and centralization based corruption, because they're very high.
--Hierarchy leads to bureaucratic skimming and accounts manipulation. This is VERY high, so that's the primary form of it's manifestation
--Centralization leads to the chiefs/nobles abusing their power
-It triggers at negative Stability because of our protective traits. Protective Justice and Greater Good says that you should ensure that the right thing is being done...and people don't trust the government to do the right thing at low stability. Which accumulates generationally as the imbalances settle in.
I think the difference between imported metal and an internal industry is pretty much how commonly it's used. We know from the Metal Workers that copper had completely displaced bone and stone for their tools, leaving those as weapon materials only, where the ability to hold an edge is more valuable than ease of reshaping.
It's probably the barrier between using plank carts for our war chariots and using solid wheels for our trade wagons, because copper is too costly to acquire to use in that manner yet.
According to the Black Soil update, we use chamberpots.
We're one of the few cultures who use disposable chamberpots, as in we have potters of the Second Kind doing nothing but making pots to shit and throw rubbish into so that the Black Soil wagon can take the shit and take it to the incinerators.
Yes. The crown has no reason to accept corruption, because corruption by definition is stealing from the crown! It's the intermediate authority levels that skims it off.
Which is also why the crown enforces.
Figured as much. EVERYONE making trouble is punished, but the average farmer simply lacks the kind of authority to do more than be assigned to harsh duties for a month or two...whereas a corrupt chief might have enough crimes to be assigned permanently to penal duties, where he'd remind everyone of the consequences of corruption every morning when he comes with the wagon to take the shit away.
@Academia Nut
Question: What kinds of criminal punishments do we currently have?
The synergy isn't. We're triggering the event for restructuring against corruption this turn. Either we start the crackdown at a time of our King's choice, or it happens at a random time.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Hmm, probably need expand Holy Site and More Carrion Eaters. Or something like that, because generally that kind of thing starts off as the task of the Priesthood.
- Location
- Austria
Well, our writing was started by bureaucrats, ao it depends. More policing experience will help.
- Location
- Sweden
Bit of an experiment really, see how it interacts with Greater Good, i was originally going for study metals. I main the black birds because they might improve several areas (police force, information gathering and warfare.)
Information: I put a banner up about this literally two days ago
- Location
- The Hague
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- He/Him
i put a banner up about this literally two days ago
Suffice it to say that using the funny rating in lieu of an argument is a violation of the rules. If you can't take the effort to respond properly, don't click the rating at all.
I'll let you off, but don't it again.
I'll let you off, but don't it again.
[x][Main] More Blackbirds
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
- Location
- Source of confusion itself.
[x][Main] More Blackbirds
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
- Location
- Asia
[x][Main] More Blackbirds
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
We should do a grand sacrifice in the future so that we have a nice buffer for stability. I want to complete that metal technology sometime soon.
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
We should do a grand sacrifice in the future so that we have a nice buffer for stability. I want to complete that metal technology sometime soon.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X][Main] Grand Sacrifice
[X][Secondary] Study Metal
[X][Secondary] More Blackbirds
[X][Secondary] Study Metal
[X][Secondary] More Blackbirds
- Location
- Sweden
Did not know that. Can you point me to where AN confirms it.
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I am wondering about the percentage not that we have an increased chance for success. The action does not specifically say each option is 25%.
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- Location
- Australia
It's the description of the action in the updates combined with basic math. There are 4 possible results of a Secondary: -1, +0, +1, or +2 Stability. 1 of those 4 makes things worse, 1 of those 4 does nothing, and 2 of those 4 make things better. Doing it as a Main action lets you roll twice to determine the result and you get the best result, so it's more likely that a positive example comes up.
Seriously, You do NOT need AN for this.
- Location
- Staring into the void
- Location
- Staring into the void
[x][Main] More Blackbirds
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
Strategic voting. Don't want to have the Restore Order vote done as a single secondary.
[x][Secondary] Restore Order
[x][Secondary] Restore Order x2
Strategic voting. Don't want to have the Restore Order vote done as a single secondary.
- Location
- Sweden
It's the percentage i question. No where does it state that each option is equally possible(-1 might be 10% chance while +1 might be 40%) sorry for not specifying what i meant.
- Location
- Australia
AN has told us he rolls 1d3-1 to determine the result and separately he also said Restore Harmony has a 50% chance of doing something positive if done as a Secondary.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
For minor things you get assigned the less pleasant tasks that still need to be done. For more serious offences there is a sliding scale from half-exile, full exile, and execution. The People don't really go for things like cutting off a hand for stealing, but they do do things like physically marking perennial troublemakers who aren't quite bad enough to kick out or kill entirely, so that people can tell at a glance to not trust them.