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Hmm. Rereading the last update, we may want to integrate/propogate the hatvalley colony after the palace is done, so they can expand into the mountains a bit more. Cut off some of the trelli's dong expansion
 
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    • Andres110 said:
    We have 11 Art. We have enough to finish the Grand Palace and do Main Proclaim Glory, plus we still have the regular income from Mysticism overflow.


    Holy shit did you not even read the post I made in response to your crap vote?
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    i couldn't think of a joke title Please keep your tone civil.
     
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    • So the Trelli is a little over 100,000. Let be generous and assume they control a further 50,000 in the surrounding area.

    The Ymaryn meanwhile have at least 500,000. So we are at least 3 times as large as them, which means three times as many boats, and so forth.

    If we do have a million citizen, we can field around 6 times their number.

    However, as far as concentration of power, the Trelli can afford to solely focus on the not!Med and not!Black sea, while our focus is diffuse. The Trelli's advantage will begin to crumble as they continuously expand everywhere. They may end up in a war with the Swamp folk to the southeast of them.

    Meanwhile, we can afford to build many more boats and have the lumber to do it. Coupled with LoW, we can also innovate faster than them. We also possessed pretty much all the advantage of combat on land. While our longships are shitty at naval combat, they are great for amphibious assault and riverine warfare. This of course can rapidly change within a single generation if our subordinates work together to produce new boats and build new docks.
     
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    Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Jul 16, 2017 at 10:00 AM, finished with 77417 posts and 92 votes.
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    Kiba said:
    So the Trelli is a little over 100,000. Let be generous and assume they control a further 50,000 in the surrounding area.

    The Ymaryn meanwhile have at least 500,000. So we are at least 3 times as large as them, which means three times as many boats, and so forth.

    If we do have a million citizen, we can field around 6 times their number.

    However, as far as concentration of power, the Trelli can afford to solely focus on the not!Med and not!Black sea, while our focus is diffuse. The Trelli's advantage will begin to crumble as they continuously expand everywhere. They may end up in a war with the Swamp folk to the southeast of them.

    Meanwhile, we can afford to build many more boats and have the lumber to do it. Coupled with LoW, we can also innovate faster than them. While our longships are shitty at naval combat, they are great for amphibious assault and riverine warfare.
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    The Trelli and Swamp Folk are so far apart, they probably won't come into contact for ages. If I remember correctly the Trelli are NotConstantinople and the Swamp Folk are on the NotPersianGoulf. Overland the Hathatyn remains and the Highland Kingdom should lie in between them.
     
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    ThrawnCA said:
    This is a good point. @veekie, can you help out?

    Something for us to keep in mind in the future: to avoid vote mixes, we should try to use the double secondary for actions that either can't be split, like megaprojects, or you don't really mind being split, like Expand Econ. Secondary trails just isn't efficient.

    ETA Ironically, secondary Docks is not so bad. If there's a real risk of split, safer to favor Docks.

    ETA 2 Wow, what a mess. Trails is narrowly winning, but because several people voted for just a secondary trails, Docks x2 actually has a significant edge over trails x2.

    I think it's best to do Docks for now, then double main trails later.
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    Told ya ^w^
     
    McLuvin said:
    I thought Hatvalley was the only proper remnants around, the rest of Not! Anatolia seems to be nothing but bandits and isolated settlements
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    And now the descendant of the Hathatyn, Trelli is occupying that spot. Well, the Ymaryn are also descendants, given large amount mixage but they are also descendants of everyone else.
     
    Spacegnom said:
    Yeah, that was a pretty loose term to encompass everything that is located in NotAnatolia between the HK and the NotMed.
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    They have a lot of free room to expand, but the more they do the closer they come to our range, and once we convert Greenshore into a colony we suddenly have better logistics on the West shore too. Thus it's not all that bad, they may gain Copper or Tin independence eventually by going and colonising Not! Ionia and the Western Hath Peninsula but they also can screw themselve over if they get aggressive towards us in the long term now.
     
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    Well I would still push for Northern Trade Post first so we can get three trade post achievement and then grab the three colony achievement.
     
    Kiba said:
    We need to commit to supporting them first...and given that we are surrounded on all side by aggressive and warlike neighbors....
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    You know there is a way to make people not target us with the xoh gone there is suddenly a gaping hole for a center of trade if we commit to sending out trade missions to the lowland civs we can make them dependent on us.
     
    veekie said:
    While this seems intuitive at first glance...this is exactly the root of the problem. We're minting coins which SHOULD be enough for everyone, but we don't know:
    -How many everyones there are
    -How many coins do they gain per year
    -How many coins must they spend per year
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    I have no idea what your talking about, I just want the rough estimate of our population now, I don't give a shit about the coins or the taxing. >.>
     
    Since the voting has slowed down, would like to ask on buildings/infrastructure mechanic, how do we check how many library/temples were built ya, just remembered on Greater Sacred Forest needed 2 temples & libraries to continue functioning, else it degrades...
     
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    Seriously guys rather than going for extravagant mega projects or focusing on civs hundreds of KM away we should focus on making sure no one on this side will take a swing at us reputation can only get you so far.
    Finite said:
    Since the voting has slowed down, would like to ask on buildings/infrastructure mechanic, how do we check how many library/temples were built ya, just remembered on Greater Sacred Forest needed 2 temples & libraries to continue...
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    I believe it was two temples or libraries so we have two libraries one in valleyhome and at sacred forest and one temple at sacred forest
     
    Finite said:
    Since the voting has slowed down, would like to ask on buildings/infrastructure mechanic, how do we check how many library/temples were built ya, just remembered on Greater Sacred Forest needed 2 temples & libraries to continue...
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    Already have that. We just need to make sure we don't build exclusively in the south and make our subordinates happy with the limited amount of actions we get. That may be why we will consolidate provinces, so there are less subordinates/provinces to worry about making happy.
     
    C'mon guys don't you people want to be this regions trelli with the xoh gone we are the only viable civ to take their place plus we can eventually convert the other civs into our values maybe even turn them into vassals given enough time.
     
    McLuvin said:
    Once the Palace is finished there will be two Libraries in Valleyhome, giving us three libraries, also once we integrate the Stallions we'll gain the Dragon Temple, giving us two Temples as well
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    Integrating ST seem to be getting further & further away though.

    I guess since both Kiba & Reader of All have confirmed that we already have enough, I'm okay.

    Just curious where's the second temple though @Kiba?
     
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