Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Austria
Wrong formatting.
I mostly like this, depending on the exact rolls.
I mean, we have more than enough Diplomacy, so I am not sure about the Quarry settlement - which is near the dyes, which are Diplo booster.
- Location
- Panama City
Well yeah, but that's not a bad thing since it nets us entire villages, and WOG it's not a LoO trigger if a diplomacy action triggers them to flip. While a stability drop hurts, netting an entire new province isn't that bad since we can tank another cent hit oir two, though having a cent boosting item done beforehand is a good idea.
- Location
- Panama City
Well, I mainly wanted the dyes online so we actually, you know, have them. But in any case, any econ-positive action in in that slot is something I'm ok with.
- Location
- Hell
Do keep in mind though that we don't plan on annexing it soon though as we are likely to be focusing in expanding our military first so Trails aren't absolutely vital at this point in time, not like the nomads are especially when boosted with our Heroic Diplomat.
I am not pushing that either. I just want to have more info on our surroundings. We still have the coastal Minors to trade with.
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- Panama City
Well, I actually think pushing to annex the nearest Lowland Minors is actually a good idea, since we can get much better econ returns from them. Especially in a turn where we're expanding our military significantly.
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- Panama City
new tally!
Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 589 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
Task: Secondary
[46][Secondary] Trade Mission - Highlands Kingdom
[27][Secondary] New Trails
[25][Secondary] Trade Mission - Thunder Horses
[5][Secondary] Expand Holy Sites
[4][Secondary] Expand Warriors
[2][Secondary] Expand Economy
[2][Secondary] New Settlement - Blue stone quarry
[1][Secondary] Trade Mission - Metal Miners
Total No. of Voters: 57
Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 589 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
Task: Secondary
[46][Secondary] Trade Mission - Highlands Kingdom
[27][Secondary] New Trails
[25][Secondary] Trade Mission - Thunder Horses
[5][Secondary] Expand Holy Sites
[4][Secondary] Expand Warriors
[2][Secondary] Expand Economy
[2][Secondary] New Settlement - Blue stone quarry
[1][Secondary] Trade Mission - Metal Miners
Total No. of Voters: 57
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Don't care!
Luckily there isn't a main slot to get it confused with, so not a biggy.But as for the discussion, I think we're all kind of in agreement about what needs to get done in the midterm, it's just that we have some hand wringing in regards to the order in which we proceed.
We need Mil to defend our future Econ acquisitions in the Lowlands.
But we need Econ to subsidize our Mil spending!
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- Location
- Austria
It will lock us into the war for lowlands, this time for realz. Can we handle it with low Econ and Stability 0? I do not think so.
...when AN just said last turn that our military gets creamed outside of our Hills + Forest defense bonuses? One Main Expand Warriors isn't going to cut it on it's own, and once we get stuck in, we're right properly stuck.
There's a reason he put diplo-annexing the minors as a potential con. We're configured very poorly for holding onto lowland settlements. The Trails actually SLOW our ability to prepare for that, as we need the Economy they cost to invest into getting the tools to seize and hold ground without bleeding out.
As it is, Trails this turn has a significant chance of deferring Main Warrior Expansion by yet another turn because we cannot afford it without risking Economy on an average Administrator.
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- Panama City
If we wait AGAIN, then they'll all get swallowed up by the DPs and the HK, leaving us SOL for expanding there at all.
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- Panama City
It gets creamed because we haven't taken an expand warriors action ever since we got the darned option. The only expansion came as a result of an event, which didn't come with an innovation roll-or if it did, we failed it.
Very much this.
We will need to expand our military significantly.
I also very much want more Blackbirds - I expect they could become a police and/oder a proper espionage force on a good roll.
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- Austria
If we do not wait and go in half-cocked, we are going to get fucked by the Dead Priests. We should go with the expectation to Main only War Missions - Dead Priests for a dozen or so consecutive turns, plus maybe repelling nomadic attacks on top, plus dumping Econ into the army buildup.
It's going to be a long, hard, painful war, and we should not go in with Econ ~2-3.
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- Panama City
Need to Main that for that to happen, since only a Main Blackbirds has an innovation roll.
One Expand Warriors, even as main, is not going to put us up to the level of parity needed.
Also the problem is this:
Econ 2+1
Trails -1
Next turn: Econ 2
Main Expand Warriors -2
Econ 0.
We're going to lose our buffer to react to events, or for the matter, chose the options needed if we expand trails this turn, as we can't Festival up our Stability to 1 for a Restore Harmony the turn after
You know a main on expand warriors is much less likely to occur if we spend econ on trails this turn. We'd have to count on getting a windfall from our settlements, and we don't know how they will act yet, or even if they can act during a megaproject.
And the Dead Priests have likely taken expand warriors at every single opportunity. We're going to need to hit that button a couple times, including maybe double maining it at least once, likely. Which is again, if we assume we're going to get a windfall of economy in order for your plan to work in the first place, we might be able to just double main expand warriors, going much farther to solving our problem.
Really, we need to save our econ for other things, and I honestly wish if people were working on solving internal issues they'd take establish annual festival to upgrade our stability, which is much more important at the moment.
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- Panama City
Ok, so if we wait six turns to build up, and the nearest villages get swallowed by the HK while we wait, locking us completely out of the region, then what do we do? Going north is a "hahaha nope" due to the step nomads making that just as bad if not worse than the lowlands, with the terrain there not nearly as lucrative. Directly east where the STs were IIRC is badlands until you get to their territory six-eight months away. West is the Ocean.
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- Panama City
Guys, Expand economy is a straight immediate +1 Econ, so we don't have to stress that much.
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Again, I voice the concern that we need Econ to fund this expansion, but the fastest way of getting MORE econ is just sucking it up and marching down into the Lowlands. I say we get a generation or two of heavy militarization done, then suck it up and get stuck in. Otherwise, we may never get around to it!
Besides, I'm pretty sure that ACTUAL FIGHTING is a valid way to get both Mil points and associated tech, so it's not like it would be a total profit loss.
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Besides, I'm pretty sure that ACTUAL FIGHTING is a valid way to get both Mil points and associated tech, so it's not like it would be a total profit loss.
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- Location
- Panama City
@Academia Nut how long would our advisors estimate that the Lowland Minors nearest to us would remain independent? 1 generation, 2?
- Location
- Austria
Highlands doing it is a good thing. Dead Priests would be a problem.
East, north-west and south-west is all the hills, which are all decent avenues.
- Location
- Hell
Then why not do the Nomad Trade Mission first so we don't have to deal with raiding next turn? That way we can focus better on upgrading our military.Don't care!
But as for the discussion, I think we're all kind of in agreement about what needs to get done in the midterm, it's just that we have some hand wringing in regards to the order in which we proceed.
We need Mil to defend our future Econ acquisitions in the Lowlands.
But we need Econ to subsidize our Mil spending!
2856
- Location
- Panama City
So you're saying ignore the lowlands entirely? Never bother expanding into them?
Yo, if we had gotten a defensive settlement down their much sooner, when both the ST and WC were backing the war, we could pull this off. Not the same situation here.
Assuming that we know what our provinces will do and exactly how they will work when we actually haven't seen it in action is dangerous. Besides, if we do get an econ windfall and can otherwise afford it, we can double main expand warriors, which will get us much closer to dealing with the lowlands. It's questionable if we can afford it, but we are much more likely to be able to if we don't spend econ.
Also, also. There is a much more significant chance that we won't have to divert our troops to fighting the nomads if we establish trade with them now, while we're at peace and the odds of survival for a trade mission are immensely higher.