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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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No.
There answered the question.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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I'm worried about the large administration problems, but going humanism seems like "Ymaryn giving land to the average people!" to the regular person. This will be very bad as people believe what they thought they had heard is true and clings onto that "truth". It also mixes our created entity for monetary benefits with realms of ideal debates, which is neither the intent nor the job. The foreigners would also view it as an underhand form serf/slave emancipation, it's a good moral idea but it may set off looming society change.
It's also not the job of a bank to weed out the foolish, unlucky, or stubborn. I just want money to fund projects.
Article: Then again, there was some musing that maybe that wasn't such a bad idea. The bank was under no obligation to issue loans to kings other than their own, and having a smaller number of nobles would simplify international relations and weed out the stupid ones that didn't deserve their belongings, long term improving the intelligence of investors and debtors the People would have to deal with. There were however others who suggested that perhaps simply donating some of the land back to the regions they were taken from instead of selling or working it themselves would promote a certain degree of goodwill that would restore faith in the bank.
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Meanwhile the more humanistic philosophers called for the restoration of 'Natural Order' via the redistribution of seized land, to reduce the suffering of those who were stripped of property or displaced by the consolidation of territory making their activities superfluous. Both the absolutists and the humanists were annoyed by the stewardship position, for being impractical and patronizing, respectively.
[X]humanism
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
[X] Humanism
"Stewardship! Ooh, shiny!"
One turn later
Your civilization has crumbled to its end
"Stewardship! Ooh, shiny!"
One turn later
Your civilization has crumbled to its end
Wiadi
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Everything is political.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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You may argue Philosophical = Political but i want money and only money.
The Ymaryn are relatively well equipped to administer land; we have pretty long traditions of both land administration and major bureaucracies. Overall, I think that we are decently well equipped to handle this, at least compared to other polities. Obviously it is complicated, and that is a mark against us here, but I'm less worried about that then the political issues inherent in Absolutism or the financial ones inherent in Humanism.
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Just because it can maybe possibly be done doesn't mean it should be done. The bank isn't going to go bankrupt but be a bit less wealthy on the grounds of having better PR (which is always worth the wealth) and less enemies.
Wiadi
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Less pithily: choosing to concern yourself only with the accumulation of wealth, damn the consequences, is itself a political/philosophical/ideological stance. Do I really need to explain this to you?
I see it as a significant hit to our wealth, and I'd rather not have that. You are of course free to feel and vote differently.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Are you really mono-focused on political/philosophical/ideological stance to forget that i want my money for my projects? The post that you quoted 1 sentence from.
The banks would just get enemies from the noble who lost their land and their network of relatives. I fail to see how our enemies would be any less if we went with Humanism compared to Absolutism or Stewardship.
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I'm sorry but I didn't call you stupid?
Bad natured and rash perhaps, but not stupid.
Unlike you I don't make attack forwards people intelligence or experience
Anyways, the vote has passed so the excuse for further debating this is moot.
Back to the vote :
[x] Stewardship
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This is going to
I doubt it will be a significat hit to our wealth but the burning of political power we're doing here is going to hurt us in the end. Sending stewards all over the world to directly administer foreign land rather than quickly auctioning it off sounds extremely unreasonable and fertile grounds to breed even more resentment.
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Absolutism will gain us revolution (Patriach dislikes this as well)
Stewardship will gain us resentment from nobility all over the world
Humanism gets us a hit to our wealth but gives us far better PR.
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Wiadi
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No, I know why you want the money. However, that doesn't let you just dismiss ideology as a non-factor - or rather, doing so is itself an ideological stance. Claiming that one option will introduce ideology into our bank, while another will somehow keep it "pure," is disingenuous. "Just getting more money" is itself an ideologically motivated task and one that assumes certain philosophical priors - e.g. either "these business practices are ethically acceptable" or "ethics need not apply to this business."
HanEmpire
Delicious
@Academia Nut will the Stewardship option send out bank stewards to properties outside the Ymaryn/Gylruv Empire?
