- Location
- Austria
Anyone who makes not!Portugal back the hell out of our neighborhood.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Anyone who makes not!Portugal back the hell out of our neighborhood.
- Location
- in the trash
The Not!Protestants, because the Vortuga are almost certainly Not!Catholic.
Crusades may very well not even be a thing, due to the stablizing effect of Ymaryn. Beyond that, the Pope is not going to call for a crusade into foreign lands when he has his hands full with heretics at home.
Also, what we've spurred is the study of the ancient past. That is to say, states long dead that no longer exist anymore, after a thousand+ years of redrawing map borders. That's not going to stoke nationalism and it's not going to reach the average person anyway.
As far as countries with a defined national identity go, Khemetri and the old Ymaryn were probably the closest, only we've shattered into multiple successor states now. If Not!Europe is like it was historically, we're still far from countries coming to be seen as entities in their own rights, rather than just being a collection of territories who all happen to be under the rule of a sovereign.
Alright, due to teaching people our debate traditions (in which a fist to the face is a valid argument, though not a particularly elegant one), not!HRE is now filled with traveling kung-fu theologians. I think we all agree that our existence on this planet and even our fall is now fully justified.
- Location
- Reno Nv
Nice, now, to rebuild and reconquar. We will make the empire even mightier than before.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Anyone who's dispassionate, logical, and keen in sowing doubt in everything and everyone.
Ultimate snark in other words.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
So what I'm hearing is "Fist of The Northern God" quest?
Fix that for you.
Well, we've kept the major religious centers apart with a civilization that both considers to be heretical, but is well armed and in terrible terrain to attack into...but keep in mind that the crusades were sparked partly by overpopulation in the martial elite segment and that nationalism was sparked heavily by improvements in communications(it was just plain too hard to consider yourself part of a group you could not communicate with)
And now unfortunately I must go to bed and let the next vote roll as it may if the update comes while I sleep
- Location
- Hell
Wait a second
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Are we the prequel to Sworn to the State: A Magical Quest???
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Are we the prequel to Sworn to the State: A Magical Quest???
Lightning Round VIII
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X][Involvement] Offer extended support (1x)
[X][Form] Offer safe haven to the persecuted (1.2x)
[X][Form] Offer mercenary services to your preferred sides (1.5x)
[X][Form] Sell guns and cannons to your preferred sides (2x)
[X][Debate] Offer theological and rhetorical training to preferred sides (1.2x)
[X][Debate] Get more copies of your versions of texts in there (1.2x)
Seeing an opportunity to sow disunity among their enemies, the People sent out all sorts of missives. Their nobility would be more than happy to offer shelter to scholars being religiously oppressed, while also offering major deals on the purchase of military equipment and mercenaries to oppressed people seeking to cast off the yoke of those whose overbearing religious domination threatened them with eternal damnation.
While the People were weird foreigners with strange ways, they were also distant and seemed to have no ambitions to actually take territory, and their offer was great for beating up on their annoying neighbours...
As such, Syffryn soon enough exploded into conflagration as every minor religious leader who found their ways called heretical could flee east to receive shelter, rhetorical training, and access to merchant nobility who they could make friends with and seek out contracts for weapons and mercenaries. Of course, this caused all sorts of trouble for those trying to covertly travel back and forth between the People being waylaid by those who would not want them to escape. The fact that the universities included gymnasia, and a tradition among the People of individual scholars settling intractable matters among each other with contests of physical prowess, meant that soon enough there was a proliferation of unarmed fighting styles among the Syffryn radical theologians. Given that the radicals often disagreed with each other, theological debates in the town square frequently involved a combination of shouted rhetoric and unarmed combat.
The increased demand for religious texts being copied from the archives for transmission into Syffryn also lead to innovations in mass copying methods, soon enough resulting in the Printers Guild springing forth as a number of innovations made in Syffryn were combined with the technical expertise of the People. This soon enough meant that not only were they flooding the continent with guns and mercenaries, but also religious texts and pamphlets containing pre-packaged theological rhetoric.
The powerful kingdoms and religious authorities of southern Syffryn did not take this lying down however, pouring money and troops into suppressing the religious radicals within their own territory and within the more fractured kingdoms of the north and central regions of the continent. Incensed, they also stepped up privateering against the People in the Eastern Saffron Sea, as well as financing border raids from the People's closer neighbours. There were also more enemies for the People, with the Southern Highlanders starting to push back against the People's trade down the Great River, the pastoral societies that had come from nomads filtering into the Horse Mountains and lowlands and mixing with the surviving populations there starting to express themselves, and the Gylruv nations in the north starting to gell together for defense against nomadic groups also being able to contest the People's riverine traffic and rumble towards their northern Yllthon ports.
There were, however, also alliance possibilities. In particular the Khemetri - no longer the ancient god-kings of the past but still a major power in the southern Saffron Sea and participants in trade in the Monsoon Sea - were getting annoyed with the Syffrynites. While also trade rivals and looking side eyed at the religious trouble the People had been stirring up despite being of a competing religion, the Khemetri were no fans of what the Vortuga were doing, and were also concerned with the Hespranxer bringing in large amounts of gold from their explorations, devaluing their gold supplies. Another group was the Kielmyr Triple Crown, from the extreme north, who were using the chaos in their southern neighbours to their own advantage, and who were also rivals with the growing Gylruv kingdoms and republics. Given their skill with seafaring and ironworking - mythically inherited from the Ymaryn themselves - and their distance, there were more than a few who felt that they may in fact have things to teach the People, and could make a more direct counter to Vortuga sea power outside the Saffron Sea.
Even more distantly, there were some members of the Spice Lands and the Tea Lands whose trade in the Monsoon Sea were being affected and were reaching out for potential allies.
So there were many rivals and potential allies to discuss.
Focus on a theater
[] [Focus] North west, with the Syffryn religious troubles (1.5x)
[] [Focus] South west, into the Saffron Sea (1.8x)
[] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[] [Focus] North, against the growing Gylruv powers (1x)
Reach out to potential allies
[] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
[] [Allies] Kielmyr Triple Crown, distant but in more direct contact with other rivals (2x)
[] [Allies] People from the Spice Lands and Tea Lands (0.8x)
[X][Form] Offer safe haven to the persecuted (1.2x)
[X][Form] Offer mercenary services to your preferred sides (1.5x)
[X][Form] Sell guns and cannons to your preferred sides (2x)
[X][Debate] Offer theological and rhetorical training to preferred sides (1.2x)
[X][Debate] Get more copies of your versions of texts in there (1.2x)
Seeing an opportunity to sow disunity among their enemies, the People sent out all sorts of missives. Their nobility would be more than happy to offer shelter to scholars being religiously oppressed, while also offering major deals on the purchase of military equipment and mercenaries to oppressed people seeking to cast off the yoke of those whose overbearing religious domination threatened them with eternal damnation.
While the People were weird foreigners with strange ways, they were also distant and seemed to have no ambitions to actually take territory, and their offer was great for beating up on their annoying neighbours...
As such, Syffryn soon enough exploded into conflagration as every minor religious leader who found their ways called heretical could flee east to receive shelter, rhetorical training, and access to merchant nobility who they could make friends with and seek out contracts for weapons and mercenaries. Of course, this caused all sorts of trouble for those trying to covertly travel back and forth between the People being waylaid by those who would not want them to escape. The fact that the universities included gymnasia, and a tradition among the People of individual scholars settling intractable matters among each other with contests of physical prowess, meant that soon enough there was a proliferation of unarmed fighting styles among the Syffryn radical theologians. Given that the radicals often disagreed with each other, theological debates in the town square frequently involved a combination of shouted rhetoric and unarmed combat.
The increased demand for religious texts being copied from the archives for transmission into Syffryn also lead to innovations in mass copying methods, soon enough resulting in the Printers Guild springing forth as a number of innovations made in Syffryn were combined with the technical expertise of the People. This soon enough meant that not only were they flooding the continent with guns and mercenaries, but also religious texts and pamphlets containing pre-packaged theological rhetoric.
The powerful kingdoms and religious authorities of southern Syffryn did not take this lying down however, pouring money and troops into suppressing the religious radicals within their own territory and within the more fractured kingdoms of the north and central regions of the continent. Incensed, they also stepped up privateering against the People in the Eastern Saffron Sea, as well as financing border raids from the People's closer neighbours. There were also more enemies for the People, with the Southern Highlanders starting to push back against the People's trade down the Great River, the pastoral societies that had come from nomads filtering into the Horse Mountains and lowlands and mixing with the surviving populations there starting to express themselves, and the Gylruv nations in the north starting to gell together for defense against nomadic groups also being able to contest the People's riverine traffic and rumble towards their northern Yllthon ports.
There were, however, also alliance possibilities. In particular the Khemetri - no longer the ancient god-kings of the past but still a major power in the southern Saffron Sea and participants in trade in the Monsoon Sea - were getting annoyed with the Syffrynites. While also trade rivals and looking side eyed at the religious trouble the People had been stirring up despite being of a competing religion, the Khemetri were no fans of what the Vortuga were doing, and were also concerned with the Hespranxer bringing in large amounts of gold from their explorations, devaluing their gold supplies. Another group was the Kielmyr Triple Crown, from the extreme north, who were using the chaos in their southern neighbours to their own advantage, and who were also rivals with the growing Gylruv kingdoms and republics. Given their skill with seafaring and ironworking - mythically inherited from the Ymaryn themselves - and their distance, there were more than a few who felt that they may in fact have things to teach the People, and could make a more direct counter to Vortuga sea power outside the Saffron Sea.
Even more distantly, there were some members of the Spice Lands and the Tea Lands whose trade in the Monsoon Sea were being affected and were reaching out for potential allies.
So there were many rivals and potential allies to discuss.
Focus on a theater
[] [Focus] North west, with the Syffryn religious troubles (1.5x)
[] [Focus] South west, into the Saffron Sea (1.8x)
[] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[] [Focus] North, against the growing Gylruv powers (1x)
Reach out to potential allies
[] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
[] [Allies] Kielmyr Triple Crown, distant but in more direct contact with other rivals (2x)
[] [Allies] People from the Spice Lands and Tea Lands (0.8x)
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The only choice without a multiplier. Suspicious.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
@Academia Nut on the subject of religion, has veneration of Crow survived the rise of not!Abrahamics? It seems as if the Christians and Muslims are treating the Mythlads as not!Jews (in the more ancient sense, not the modern sense). Has Crow then folded into the Abrahamic sense of god?
HanEmpire
Delicious
Hahahahahaha
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
[X] [Allies] Kielmyr Triple Crown, distant but in more direct contact with other rivals (2x)
We could, of course, get involved in the shit we stirred up north. Or we can use the distraction to reclaim former Empire territories while helping the Vortugas rivals. Basically, we let the Khemetri and Kielmyr take on Syffrin while we get our neck of the woods into order again.
Also, lets keep out of Syffrin as even a perceived outside invasion could unify them. By retaking our old territory, we also reclaim the vast agricultural bounty of the lowlands and if we are very lucky, the mineral riches of the horse mountains.
Edit: The weighting seems to favour Ymarite factions. We want to ally with those we perceive to be descended from us and want to retake territories we consider ancestral Ymaryn territory.
Not something I mind but we are probably sliding into proto-nationalism. On the other hand, it lays the groundwork for Ymarites sticking together. Which isn't a bad precedent to have.
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
[X] [Allies] Kielmyr Triple Crown, distant but in more direct contact with other rivals (2x)
We could, of course, get involved in the shit we stirred up north. Or we can use the distraction to reclaim former Empire territories while helping the Vortugas rivals. Basically, we let the Khemetri and Kielmyr take on Syffrin while we get our neck of the woods into order again.
Also, lets keep out of Syffrin as even a perceived outside invasion could unify them. By retaking our old territory, we also reclaim the vast agricultural bounty of the lowlands and if we are very lucky, the mineral riches of the horse mountains.
Edit: The weighting seems to favour Ymarite factions. We want to ally with those we perceive to be descended from us and want to retake territories we consider ancestral Ymaryn territory.
Not something I mind but we are probably sliding into proto-nationalism. On the other hand, it lays the groundwork for Ymarites sticking together. Which isn't a bad precedent to have.
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- Location
- Mists of Albion
[X] [Focus] North west, with the Syffryn religious troubles (1.5x)
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
Fuck up the Syffryn even more than they already are, claim the riches of the Lowlands before the Highlands do, contest the Eastern Med with the aid of the Khem
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
Fuck up the Syffryn even more than they already are, claim the riches of the Lowlands before the Highlands do, contest the Eastern Med with the aid of the Khem
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Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
The lowlands are rightfully of the People! We shall build dams and canals everywhere!
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
Good ol' Khem.
The lowlands are rightfully of the People! We shall build dams and canals everywhere!
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
Good ol' Khem.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Mylathads are Not!Zoroastrians, the Highlanders are the Not!Israelites, although there aren't really any Jews in the sense of a diasporic religious group, while Crow has mostly been subsumed into the monotheistic tradition that supplanted the polytheistic beliefs. God is seen of as a somewhat distant and alien father figure attended to by crows and crow winged servants in the Ymaryn traditions.
- Location
- United States
On my phone so I can't vote, but I would focus on religious troubles and the saffron sea.
We need to keep Portugal from trying to fuck things up over in Asia, and we need to get in on the Asian trade routes ourselves.
I would also focus on Khemetri and Spice/Tea lands (which AN confirmed to be China and India).
Khem let us project force more easily across the med, and China/India let us gain access to all of their trade and tech, which is likely pretty different from ours considering that most of Europe is heavily influenced by Old Ymar.
Triple Crown, while having ironworking tech, can really only project influence in Europe, and thus will only really be useful if we focus all of our attention there.
We need to keep Portugal from trying to fuck things up over in Asia, and we need to get in on the Asian trade routes ourselves.
I would also focus on Khemetri and Spice/Tea lands (which AN confirmed to be China and India).
Khem let us project force more easily across the med, and China/India let us gain access to all of their trade and tech, which is likely pretty different from ours considering that most of Europe is heavily influenced by Old Ymar.
Triple Crown, while having ironworking tech, can really only project influence in Europe, and thus will only really be useful if we focus all of our attention there.
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
[X] [Allies] Kielmyr Triple Crown, distant but in more direct contact with other rivals (2x)
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
[X] [Allies] Kielmyr Triple Crown, distant but in more direct contact with other rivals (2x)
Ivan the Not-so-Terrible
AH MEW CHEEKI BREEKI I V DAMKE
- Location
- Mikonyan’s USSR
WWE presents the Protestant Reformation.
- Location
- Leeds
I have no idea what is going on anymore. It's all gone crazy.
Out of interest are the Kielmyr Triple Crown related to the Storm People?
Out of interest are the Kielmyr Triple Crown related to the Storm People?
- Location
- his hidden lair
[X] [Focus] South, into the lowlands and the Highlanders (2x)
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
Who wouldn't want to create the Ancient Empire tag team? Although it honestly strikes me as strange that we can't ally both. The Khemetri and the Not!Kalmar probably don't have any direct competition and both want not!Spain and Not!Portugal to be stymied.
Given how much the distance is merely a matter of latitude we can even be the Axis of powers!
[X] [Focus] East, with the mountain pastoralists (1x)
[X] [Allies] Khemetri, trade rivals but not the Vortuga (1x)
Who wouldn't want to create the Ancient Empire tag team? Although it honestly strikes me as strange that we can't ally both. The Khemetri and the Not!Kalmar probably don't have any direct competition and both want not!Spain and Not!Portugal to be stymied.
Given how much the distance is merely a matter of latitude we can even be the Axis of powers!