All we can control is how much Econ we recover later
Turning off Levy ensures we will not lose econ due to it, and since we probably will, starvation depends on admin roll. Some people understandably do not want to risk it.
[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Retraining
[X] [Secondary] Retraining x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance

Huh? I thought the Freeshits were fighting the tinshits not our slaving cousins?
[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance
this will kill the mountaineers and not die in the process.
Please, make RO main and Dam two secondaries. Otherwise, we get Main and Secondary RO, and no one wants that.
 
Ah, it's confirmed that we couldn't get help from the SY? Pity.

I still think they want the alliance because they think we're dangerous, rather than because they somehow expect a marriage alliance with a non-hereditary polity will allow them to strong-arm our genius king with excellent diplo into declaring a war against a friendly state when we're already fighting a different war that's much more to our interest.
 
The cities aren't going to pop from people starving. They're going to pop because there's lot of Econ Expansion - available useful land. It means the countryside is full of attractive opportunities. All we need is to Expand Econ a few times - next turn, give the incomparable military genius just one more turn - and people will come flooding back.

It's true that every plan will spend all 4 of our Econ. Can't avoid that, no matter what policy we use. We have to build the Dam, or it will trigger devastating Stability loss. We have to build the annex, because the patricians will hijack actions to make it happen. So that's all 4 Econ - regardless of what else we do. All we can control is how much Econ we recover later. @Sivantic's plan recovers 14 + overflow, I believe, which should raise it to something like 25. That's enough to easily survive the turn.

We have a military genius like never before seen, we have levies already in the field, we have a really genuinely important CB, we will never get a better chance to stop the HK shenanigans for good.

All the plans spend all 4 econ, but the Levy plans risk spending more. Which would be really, really bad.

I sympathize with your desire to use our Martial genius while we have him, I really do. But too many things could go wrong.
 
Warning: Are you purposefully breaking the rules
Are you purposefully misinterpreting what I posted, or are you just really that stuck on your horse of wanting megaproject policy that you can't read into any criticism into it?

Because that is some serious misinterpretation there.
are you purposefully breaking the rules This isn't quite a breach of rule 3, but it is toeing the line enough that I am giving you a warning for marginal behaviour and requesting that you don't repeat this kind of discourse.

Also hah! See, I can take moderator action without locking the thread!
 
Ah, it's confirmed that we couldn't get help from the SY? Pity.

I still think they want the alliance because they think we're dangerous, rather than because they somehow expect a marriage alliance with a non-hereditary polity will allow them to strong-arm our genius king with excellent diplo into declaring a war against a friendly state when we're already fighting a different war that's much more to our interest.
You can reverse the direction. The SY KNOW they are safe from the Ymaryn. They're too far away from our core, if we want to wage war we need to sealift everyone across the Black Sea before they seize Greenshore, which is right next to their capital.

Also they know we need CBs, so we can't just invade them because we feel like it.

They want a marriage alliance now because they think their Martial Hero King + our Martial Genius King can pancake anything and anyone in our shared range(which...is more or less correct I guess).

They know we're Elective, so a marriage alliance only really lasts a generation. Theres' something they want out of a Genius warlord, the Tin Tribes are too small to warrant the effort(unless they also spawned a Hero I guess)...which only leaves one target in the blast zone.

Well unless they want to pull a Xohyr with a Personal Union Assimilation plot but thats too paranoid.
 
[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x2
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Gymnasium
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance

Bringing the Forhuch in via marriage won't really accomplish anything long term. We need to change their culture at a base level like we did with the Txolla. On the other hand, marrying in with the Storm Ymaryn will give us inroads into their high society.
 
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They know we're Elective, so a marriage alliance only really lasts a generation. Theres' something they want out of a Genius warlord, the Tin Tribes are too small to warrant the effort(unless they also spawned a Hero I guess)...which only leaves one target in the blast zone.

The Tin Tribes did spawned a war hero, which is why the Freehills have such a hard time conquering them.
 
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[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Retraining
[X] [Secondary] Retraining x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty
 
@Citino I think it's clear that there won't be much further swing toward keeping levies. Do you want to switch to @PrimalShadow's compromise vote with Offensive policy?

@PrimalShadow If we're sending the levies home, would it be worth swapping Hunt Troublemakers for Retraining?
 
Hey @Academia Nut which of the brides would make Alex most happy?

I understand that it's all about politics here, but after everything he's done for us, and everything he will do with the war against the Highlanders and when he becomes king, I want him to have a little bit of happiness in his family life.

A bit weird I know, but I think Alex deserves it, same as Yenyna deserved her happy ending.
 
Stronger ties may also give our western colonies more incentive to swap.

The opposite, surely. If we're friendly they have no need to swap, as they can trade freely and get the benefits of both, and won't be asked to choose between the two.

-Been fighting a stalemated war with Freehills for multiple turns

You've said his before, but I can't find a reference to this. I think they were fighting a rebellious vassal. Freehills is fighting the Tin Tribes, who are a buffer between them and the Storm Ymaryn.
 
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Folks, Main Restore Order is clearly ahead of secondary x2, but as it stands, we're in danger of doing both and getting a double main, instead of sending a third war mission.

@Sivantic @DkArthas @bluefur87 @Manget Can you please rearrange your main vs secondaries? @Chrestomanci can you change your approval vote from Restore Order to Restore Order x2 so it only takes effect if it's necessary to form a main?
 
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[] [Marriage] Internally from a patrician family
The Status Quo option. Mild reinforcement of Purity(too mild to really matter here),
I notice you didn't address the Purity of the other brides?

My thoughts:
[] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty
This fits PiA, so it probably weakens Purity. Former enemies, rapists and pillagers are accepted and start a new life.

[] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance
Difficult to say, but since they allow slavery, and since iiuc Cosmopolitan Tolerance requires more conformity, this is probably a step toward strengthening Purity.
 
[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Offensive
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] Dam
[X] [Secondary] Dam x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Survey Lands
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x3
 
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[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Offensive
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] Dam
[X] [Secondary] Dam x2
[X] [Secondary] Hunt Troublemakers
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Survey Lands
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty
 
I notice you didn't address the Purity of the other brides?

My thoughts:

This fits PiA, so it probably weakens Purity. Former enemies, rapists and pillagers are accepted and start a new life.


Difficult to say, but since they allow slavery, and since iiuc Cosmopolitan Tolerance requires more conformity, this is probably a step toward strengthening Purity.

Value wise the Storm Ymaryn are probably neutral as a similar, but not the same culture, other than increased pressure in favor of slavery since closer ties will show they are prospering rather than being smote like the priests say they should.

Forhuch would push against Purity in favor of Acceptance since they are completely foreign AND formerly enemies.
 
Value wise the Storm Ymaryn are probably neutral as a similar, but not the same culture, other than increased pressure in favor of slavery since closer ties will show they are prospering rather than being smote like the priests say they should.

Forhuch would push against Purity in favor of Acceptance since they are completely foreign AND formerly enemies.

The Forhuch were (are?) also a slave trading culture. I'm not sure how much we actually enforce our laws on our vassals.

The example of the Storm Ymaryn not getting smote (or getting smote, if they're unlucky) would be the same with or without the marriage, as they're Games participants and on our doorstep for trade. They're just too close for the marriage to make a huge difference. The same applies to them though, and we have the advantage as we're dominant in pilgrimage.

What the marriage will hopefully do is reduce the friction this would otherwise cause.
 
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