That sounds like a route to getting more Martial Glory values. Something I'd much prefer to avoid as much as reasonably possible.
Paths of Civilization
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High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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@Academia Nut how does the city stuff work now that blackmouth has its new market.
If valleyhome stays first because it has more infrastructure:
-Valleyhome [Capital, Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold)
[20 (Base) + 7 (Infrastructure) - 7 (No Block Housing) = 20]
-Blackmouth [Governor's Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls?] (22 EE Threshold)
[20 (Inherit) - 4 (Penalty) + 6 (Infrastructure) = 22]
But if we switch the two...
-Blackmouth [Governor's Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls?] (19 EE Threshold)
[20 (Base) + 6 (Infrastructure) -7 (No Block Housing) = 19]
-Valleyhome [Capital, Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold)
[20 (Base) - 4 (Penalty) + 7 (Infrastructure) = 22]
So either way the "second" city has a higher threshold than the first.
If valleyhome stays first because it has more infrastructure:
-Valleyhome [Capital, Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold)
[20 (Base) + 7 (Infrastructure) - 7 (No Block Housing) = 20]
-Blackmouth [Governor's Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls?] (22 EE Threshold)
[20 (Inherit) - 4 (Penalty) + 6 (Infrastructure) = 22]
But if we switch the two...
-Blackmouth [Governor's Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls?] (19 EE Threshold)
[20 (Base) + 6 (Infrastructure) -7 (No Block Housing) = 19]
-Valleyhome [Capital, Palace, Aqueduct, Baths, Market {x2}, Sig. Walls] (20 EE Threshold)
[20 (Base) - 4 (Penalty) + 7 (Infrastructure) = 22]
So either way the "second" city has a higher threshold than the first.
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- Canada
Not if it continued to be integrated like Israels military. isn't our force primarily composed of crossbowmen? Why wouldn't there be female soldiers? Also having all the men at war leaves women in power as the U.S learned in ww2.
We might end up with women managing logistics and they already serve as messengers.
We might end up with women managing logistics and they already serve as messengers.
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Of course it would. The situation is likely to get worse before it get better.
Alas, I tried. Well, let's hope one kick is enough.
Umi-san
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It would depend on how it's implemented, but considering that our weaponry in this era is largely strength-based, yes.
But on the other hand since women would all gain military training domestic abuse might decrease, more women might become leaders in our army, and we would in general be more resistant to outside forces.
I'd rather stay civilian in values, though.
Sure, if you find the wealth and econ to pay for it.
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I suggest this to avoid being in a constant state of flux with either small mercenary companies or mass levies. If our society is trained and fortified our military becomes small and elite almost eliminating the need for mercenaries outside of those under our direct control. It removes the need for mass levies and allows us to have a higher martial cap while allowing our soldiers to rotate our to pursue nirmal careers as the youth will always replace them while always setting up the basis of a public education system.
Even the prostitutes will know how to use a crossbow.
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All these ideas are nice, but you need to suggest an actual plan on how to get there and how the heck we're going to pay for all of these.
I don't think so? We're talking about people having a job as a soldier as just a thing everyone in society do.
LoserThree
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One kick might not be enough, better make it thr--
Aww. Dangit!
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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Three kicks might not be enough, better make it 4
Exactly. Normalizing war by making everyone a soldier influences them. This influence is revealed via a value. Much as how we've had proto-purity for a while by making decisions that do that, then we got the real purity value once a slot opened. Militarizing our entire population would be giving us some form of proto-war value.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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Combo Enlist + Retrain actions relatively repeatedly. If we did it as a repeat action we would have it manually. But hopefully if we just did it a couple of times we would get the choice to institute it. It might evolve Plowshares.
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
Admittedly this is probably better applied if we were fighting the storm Ymaryn with their punkass downgraded vampire value.
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All the other civs with the pumped up kicks
You'd better run, better run, out run my bow
All the other civs with the pumped up kicks
You'd better run, better run, faster than my bolt
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So for the midturn I'd like to react with Enforce Justice and then kick again two or three times, we will have enough phases left for it to not be a waste, and I don't think a Main Spiritbonded to raise our cavalry by 2 will be worth it unless ours are completely wiped out or we get lucky enough to bring their own score down to within punch range.
Our centralization is 6/8. I don't think we will be triggering any PSN actions due to active levy.
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So we have room for Enforce Justice.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I hope that the Levy pounds out some roads as they walk.
That would be the goal of a Retraining + Raise Army vote.
That would be the goal of a Retraining + Enter Discipline you want to get troops good at vote.
Possibly. That is a downside and a concern, but strength is going to be a thing here.
However women would also get the training and increasing weapons like crossbows would allow for the gap to be not nearly as big as we would fear.
War has already been normalized, we have already had several military values, heck our entire honor tree is full of them.
If we want to not have a martial glory society, but still want to have an army able to tank our neighbors regular aggression, what we need is to get as much of the army professional as possible. That is, we need to make it not an act of glory, not an act of heros saving the day, but as boring as we can possibly make working in an army and as much of a job as possible. Cycling people through the army to make sure everyone has terms of service makes our villages much more resistant to being raided, our levy much stronger, and our martial score able to do other things in its downtime as opposed to just having troops sitting around being bored.
It's not an instant solution to getting a professional army, but it's progress towards it and progress towards it is needed to get there.
If you want to stop the risk of 'war for honor', try to avoid wars of prestige and conquest. Don't take options where we fight for glory, take options where we fight for the state. We do, however, need a military as long as we have dangerous neighbors, and with the nomads bordering us, that isn't going away anytime soon.
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All it takes is for a bad roll and we will be overcentralized. Hopefully, the invention of paper should raise our tolerance.
Certainly!
We might call it, "We Have Reserves," or maybe "Swords and Plowshares."
Which, yes, will probably become more entrenched by a Raise Army - Retraining cycle.
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...Only if you want to use a secondary and bet on rolling a 1 again, or else hit overcentralization and lose a main action, 2 econ, and 2 wealth next turn, as well as likely take penalties to our war actions...