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Lailoken said:
The lowlands aren't special to us. They're uniquely fertile regardless of agricultural capability, but the Ymaryn developed polices and infrastructure which make marginal land in the hills and mountains just as bountiful as the lowlands are.
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Bullshit. Do we make our marignal land better? Absolutely. Do we make it on par with the lowlands? Absolutely not. Remember that AN said that anyone who unified the Lowlands would be able to overrun everyone else because the sheer agricultural output? We certainly haven't seen anything like that.
 
DragonParadox said:
What makes you think that?
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Amber Roads actions are missing.

From the front page:
Amber Road (Trading Post) [Mature] - Increases trade power for all Far Northern Tribe products, provides a market for an extra saltern (L: 5/5, D: 2/4)

Either a nomad horde has destroyed Amber Road, or Amber Road has changed into something else... Pikachu!
 
Marlin said:
Amber Roads actions are missing.

From the front page:
Amber Road (Trading Post) [Mature] - Increases trade power for all Far Northern Tribe products, provides a market for an extra saltern (L: 5/5, D: 2/4)

Either a nomad horde has destroyed Amber Road, or Amber Road has changed into something else... Pikachu!
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Or the GM forgot to put them in. From previous problematic updates, if we had just lost a subordinate we would have gotten a more serious warning than "epicness" with seems mostly positive.

Edit: Went back and checked. The update Iron age Eye of the Storm also does not have amber road actions. We are too far away to see what they are doing.
 
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Hmm, so the Last time we had something epic happen was when our good buddies the Khem came rolling up and we had a Thunderdome moment.

So, to be optimistic, maybe the Khem finally recovered and are taking back their former colonies, starting with the HK?
 
DragonParadox said:
Or the GM forgot to put them in. From previous problematic updates, if we had just lost a subordinate we would have gotten a more serious warning than "epicness" with seems mostly positive.

Edit: Went back and checked. The update Iron age Eye of the Storm also does not have amber road actions. We are too far away to see what they are doing.
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You're right, but we usually see what happens to Amber Road. It's not a case of something far away, but an omission, or that Amber Road literally ran out of things to do.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm prety sure we would consider hiding farming advancements treason. As in we would send in the Carrion Eaters to persuade them.
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These are the Ymaryn. They're probably completely incapable of even conceiving of a greater crime than privately hoarding farming technology.

Possibly being a Nomad, but only because they don't appreciate farming in the first place.



PrimalShadow said:
Bullshit. Do we make our marignal land better? Absolutely. Do we make it on par with the lowlands? Absolutely not. Remember that AN said that anyone who unified the Lowlands would be able to overrun everyone else because the sheer agricultural output? We certainly haven't seen anything like that.
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I remember AN saying that the advantage the Ymaryn have is the ability to get lowlands farm yields out of marginal land. The lowlands are simply so naturally fertile that they don't need nor benefit from the incredibly complex infrastructure the Ymaryn have developed, so civs on them can get Ymaryn yields without the huge amount of development and investment the Ymaryn have dumped into agriculture tech, multiple megaprojects, and governmental organization.
 
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Lailoken said:
I remember AN saying that the advantage the Ymaryn have is the ability to get lowlands farm yields out of marginal land. The lowlands are simply so naturally fertile that they don't need more benefit from the incredibly complex infrastructure the Ymaryn have developed, so civs on then can get Ymaryn yields without the huge amount of development and investment the Ymaryn have dumped into agriculture tech, multiple megaprojects, and governmental organization.
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If the Ymaryn can get lowlands harvests from marginal land, what kind of harvests do you think they can get from highly fertile land?
 
DragonParadox said:
Or the GM forgot to put them in. From previous problematic updates, if we had just lost a subordinate we would have gotten a more serious warning than "epicness" with seems mostly positive.

Edit: Went back and checked. The update Iron age Eye of the Storm also does not have amber road actions. We are too far away to see what they are doing.
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I think they were still at 2?/4? stats thatupdate. now that we have full knowledge of their stats and everything we should see their actions again...
 
Lailoken said:
These are the Ymaryn. They're probably completely incapable of even conceiving of a greater crime than privately hoarding farming technology.

Possibly being a Nomad, but only because they don't appreciate farming in the first place.





I remember AN saying that the advantage the Ymaryn have is the ability to get lowlands farm yields out of marginal land. The lowlands are simply so naturally fertile that they don't need nor benefit from the incredibly complex infrastructure the Ymaryn have developed, so civs on then can get Ymaryn yields without the huge amount of development and investment the Ymaryn have dumped into agriculture tech, multiple megaprojects, and governmental organization.
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Even with our advantages AN said that the lowlands are way better, with each settlement giving something like +6 or +7 EE, instead of the +3 or less that our marginal areas give us.
 
...The epicness almost certainly involves the current Forhuch king, who is a diplo/martial hero residing in the Horse Mountains. OTOH, could be a nomad horde too.
 
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If it's another age of war, I think we're going to regret having made raising martial and the advanced martial stats prohibitively expensive and not being in a golden age.
 
Janadus said:
If the Ymaryn can get lowlands harvests from marginal land, what kind of harvests do you think they can get from highly fertile land?
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The same. The Ymaryn get lowlands yields by turning the marginal land into fertile land with epic water management, centralized organization, accumulated black soil as deep as your leg, and generational forestry. In the lowlands there's no need for that, so all of that development just goes to waste, hence why the lowlands are such a pain in the ass for us. They offer no marginal advantage to us, but huge marginal advantages to people who want to beat our heads in and take out stuff. It'd be better for us if they simply didn't exist.

In fact, y'know what? New megaprojects plan. We take over the old Thunderspeakers territory and redirect both their and our rivers towards each other, thus irrigating all the hills in between. Then we dump the combined river north, thus creating an extensive chain of fertile fortified and mutually supporting river-reinforced cities deep into the steppes. This also cuts the lowlands off from their fertile silt and water supply, thus turning our largest headache into a natural barrier against foreign expansion.
 
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Alratan said:
If it's another age of war, I think we're going to regret having made raising martial and the advanced martial stats prohibitively expensive and not being in a golden age.
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Honestly, we don't really need our Martial stat at all.

Much of our fighting capability is tied up in our Mercenaries, and they don't care about our Martial Score.
On top of that, between our Reserves value line and the Yeomen faction power, we can have a two-digit bonus martial.
And finally. In a serious fight, we go in with a Levy Policy, instantly summoning 40+ points of martial. At that point, the problem isn't having a low martial score; it is being unable to deploy our entire score worth of units due to lack of war missions.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Honestly, we don't really need our Martial stat at all.

Much of our fighting capability is tied up in our Mercenaries, and they don't care about our Martial Score.
On top of that, between our Reserves value line and the Yeomen faction power, we can have a two-digit bonus martial.
And finally. In a serious fight, we go in with a Levy Policy, instantly summoning 40+ points of martial. At that point, the problem isn't having a low martial score; it is being unable to deploy our entire score worth of units due to lack of war missions.
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Yeah; amusingly, our best way of defending in wars is maxing out Econ, Wealth and Ironworks to slap down anything and to have a piggyback to ride out Levy (no +Econ +Wealth actions?) on.
And Roads to actually be able to deploy all those tens of thousands of people.
 
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