The point is to generate so much court cases that the governors and King basically says "screw it!" and create legal specialists dedicated to dealing with it.
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The point is to generate so much court cases that the governors and King basically says "screw it!" and create legal specialists dedicated to dealing with it.
BungieONI
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It was the MH. However, Friendly East Khan is parked in the ruins of their burnt out corpse and I expect very little metal working expertise and infrastructure remains from the MH. He certainly has his own though through imported over the steppe knowledge. Its going to take him a little while to set up and start producing, and being a nomad he will want to.
Storm People may be second, depends on how much they feel like exporting and how much they want to keep for their war machine. They'd be near our quality though.
Another producer is the HK, but they cannot match our volume of output and quality is lacking to due to our time lead.
The Khemetri aren't a factor in this region right now. If they come back they will either be going through Freehills-Trelli or going literally through Freehills via re-conquest. Product wise they can match our output, and potentially exceed it but their quality is going to lag a bit for at least a century. Maybe more, maybe less. We'd have to remake contact and ask to figure that one out.
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Yup but the quickest way is to give the rural areas access to the King through roads rather than create more cities. Those abuses are being ignored and its a quicker way to stress the system. Our rural Patricians are some of the most corrupt people in our society due to lack of oversight.
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They're not exactly settled as much as Khem, and a lot of our ironworking has come since Second Son. But yeah, 60 Storm:30 Khem:2 Highland:8 Other (China, just somewhere else, etc.)
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AN updated the civ sheet and action list:
Edit: Forgot the diff for the action list:
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Some stats and incomes got fixed:
WW gained a loyalty:
No change to trade power for poppies, though, which is both still confusing and sad
Edit: Forgot the diff for the action list:
Diff Checker
Some stats and incomes got fixed:
WW gained a loyalty:
No change to trade power for poppies, though, which is both still confusing and sad
Chariots lost a point of martial generation, likely due to the prevalence of actual cavalry
Spirit Channel now officially a colony/march target.
No new settlement option.
@Academia Nut redshore baths should be at 3/6, not 2/6
Marketplace level 2 confirmed to "just" be as strong as level 1.
Unfortunately, our annex limit does decrease, so i think when AN said it mostly doesn't go down he meant that we can't end up over our limit; so if we had 17/18, and lost 4 subordinates, we would go down to 17/17, not 17/14.
Most important update to action list, new megaproject! Not exactly a priority of course but new megaprojects are really cool
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More to the point, we need the bureaucracy to manage this.
Remember when we first built the palace and some clerk wanted all the library annexes? I'm pretty sure that was to get more clerks to look over and go over, the administrative details, effectively letting us have a better bureaucracy. Probably expressed as an increased cent and maybe hierarchy cap.
I really think we need more library annexes when we can afford them.
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...okay then.
@notgreat and @ctulhuslp How about this. You are both confident that we do not need the Forestry Policies and we are perfectly capable of doing it ourselves.
Let me make a proposal. You help me stop the push for changing the policies now. Instead you help me push my own plan that brings back two of our cities. We do not get more than one progress this turn.
Now why would you agree to this?
Pushing for the change in policy now nets us five this turn.
However with my plan we can instead of having five progress per turn, we can end up with seven or nine progress per turn.
It is simple,
We reactivate the two cities.
We put them on Infrastucture.
Next turn we change policies and turn our Forestry policies into either two more Infrastructure policies, or just one more with a second to use as we wish. That puts as at 8 or 10 progress. That passes the Priests Quests of another Level 2 Temple and gives us another RA tolerance. Next turn we finish the Urban Poor Quest without spending a dime and receive the Grand Bazaar Megaproject. That is 6 Wealth, 6 Econ, and 12 Culture saved.
You guys still get what you want, I still get what I want. Everyone wins.
All I ask is that you delay.
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Shouldn't Marketplace for Valleyhome be 'Valleyhome (0/6)'?
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Someone tell me if they can make a plan to get this a march please.
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Oh hey lookie there, it's Our Chastity Belt: The Megaproject.Most important update to action list, new megaproject! Not exactly a priority of course but new megaprojects are really cool
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Maybe not this turn, but we can easily afford it next turn.
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@Academia Nut errors in the action list:
(Also, should it specify "max cent tolerance"?
-2: Lower Valleyhome should be a target
-2: Lower Valleyhome should be a target
Edit: Also the Build Academy Action and/or EP is missing, as @8bitBob reminds me
Out of date cent tolerance; should be (21/55) + 7 Centralization Tolerance
(Also, should it specify "max cent tolerance"?
Wall count also out of date; last update said 33/64 for significant?
This still lists forests even though its on the front page, and its out of date on here anyway
Might not be an error, but i thought you'd said we'd probably have another march option north of the parts of western wall we integrated?
Integration targets are out of date
Lists S for both secondary and main action strength
Should be -2 stab, with division of power value
Probably should have more aqueduct targets with our new provinces, unless we have enough provinces that provincial capitals aren't automatically targets?
-1: Redshore should have 3/6 progress
-2: Lower Valleyhome should be a target
-1: Redshore should have (0/6), since it already has a level 1 library.
-2: Lower Valleyhome should be a target
Again, Lower Valleyhome should be a target.
Super minor, but this still uses the term "EE Limit" instead of City Attraction, which you seem to want to standardize on.
This doesn't mention either the City Attraction bonus its always given, or the new RA Tolerance and Tech Refund
Valleyhome should be (3/3), while Lower Valleyhome should be a target
We already completed the academy, the listing should be removed
We already have the observatory here, either should be 3/3 or 0/6 depending on if we can build a second level without upgrading the temple or not.
We don't have the gulvalley or borderhills provinces listed yet.
(3/3), actually, since it can't build level 2 infrastructure.
Edit: Also the Build Academy Action and/or EP is missing, as @8bitBob reminds me
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March required -5 martial and -2 econ.
Warship required -3 econ, -5 wealth, -3 martial * 2 plus
Main raise army required -3 Econ, -5 Wealth main action to generate 9 martial.
Sec raise army required -2 Econ, -3 Wealth, +5 Martial, +1 Culture, potential additional effects
Blackbird S: -1 Econ, -1 Mysticism, -1 Wealth, +2 Martial, +1 Culture, many more Blackbirds, additional effects
Total cost of march and warships is 15 martial, 6 econ, 10 wealth.
We can do a main and a sec raise Army to get 14 martial for 5 econ, 8 wealth, and 14 martial, and a blackbird to top it off for a total of 16 martial, 6 econ, 9 wealth.
With everything totaled up, we're looking at 16 martial, 11 econ, and 18 wealth.
I wonder if we should take out a martial policy to offset the prohibitive cost.
Ignore it. It's cheaper than I thought.
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@BungieONI, time to turn down the Button.
Doesn't work. We need 15 progress by next turn's midturn (includes Redshore baths), and that's not possible if we don't switch now unless we get ~11 points next turn and, well, that's a bit much even for me. We'd have to switch some off shortly afterwards, which means the whole thing was a waste.
In addition to this, the Build Academy action wasn't listed
Hmm. Free cities might choose an additional two infrastructure policy, bringing us to a total of 9 infrastructure progress, which mean we can complete the bath in redshore AND complete the market to get the Bazaar completed early, because we all know how much we need it to be done.
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Why are you including this at all?
Still. We get 1 Progress this turn, we get nine progress next turn for 10. Would still amount to the same amount of progress as if we switched right now, except we know have two more cities and that nine progress will easily solve all those other problems you stated that we needed 18 progress for. That also means that that is finished in three turns(1+9+9) as opposed to four(5+5+5+5)
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Presumably because the policies are halfway through with it and so are rather likely to finish it before working on other things
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Would that interest you in trying to grab the cities now though?
Otherwise we would not have the sufficient progress to finish them.
...how do you get the total cost of March and warships to be 15 martial? Why do you want to do two main more warships? of course the expense is going to be tremendous if you do this.
The bigger problem is that it looks like we won't have enough Martial to both build the Warships needed for the Trader's Quest and start the March next turn (we're short by 1).
It's a level two city which means it need a level two bath to ensure our artisans don't stink.
Anyway: List of projects needed to be completed:
1) Redshore bath (3/6)
2) Redshore Level Two Market (0/6)
3) Level One Temple (0/3)
4) Level Two Temple (0/6)
So, we need 18 progress in about two turn.
With 5 infrastructure, we whittle it down to 13 progress. And then another 5 to get to 8 progress.
Yeah, it seems likely we will get another 2 infrastructure policies from our Free Cities to finish all the infrastructure quess, and that isn't including the Great Hall annex we need to build every turn.
We've got level 1 temples already, we only have 15 progress we need to get done, but Valleyguard might hijack some because they want baths. (though they'd have to put up progress for 1/3 of it via their FC passive)
That being said we do still need more passives if we don't want to pay for some of it ourselves.
OK. It seems feasible with 5 policies, although I am a bit impatient to get the Bazaar done because we need the wealth, damn it.