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By making super hard points patrolled by full time elites, the majority of the population can remain off a war footing and only be mobilized when needed, with the walls ensuring there is enough time for that.
Paths of Civilization
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By making super hard points patrolled by full time elites, the majority of the population can remain off a war footing and only be mobilized when needed, with the walls ensuring there is enough time for that.
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[X] [War] Attempt to mediate a peace between the Trelli and Freehills (-4 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, chance to open the Strait for free)
[X] [Mercs] Stick around unless they intend to go after the Khemetri (Mercs still paid by Freehills barring war dec on Khemetri)
[X] [HS] Prototype Weapon Storage (Palace Arsenal + Storehouse Annexes, Reforms advance)
[X] [Mercs] Stick around unless they intend to go after the Khemetri (Mercs still paid by Freehills barring war dec on Khemetri)
[X] [HS] Prototype Weapon Storage (Palace Arsenal + Storehouse Annexes, Reforms advance)
Okay. If we make peace, my new working plan for next turn is:
{M} Invite Freehills + Trelli to Games
{S} Enforce Justice
{S} Free City
{S} Build Roads
{G} Charcoal Kilns
{G} Porcelain Works
The total Econ cost is 2 (free city) + 1 (roads) + 2 (kilns) + 2 (porcelain) = 7. After spending 4 econ on our weapon storage, it should leave us with 10 (+4) [-1], so this level of spending is quite safe.
The total Wealth cost is 2 (roads) + 2 (kilns) - 2 (works), which brings us down by 4 and then up by 2; it should also be safe.
Invitations spread good-will all around from stopping the war. Depending on how things go I am comfortable changing this around to something else.
Roads increase Cent by 1, but also Cent tolerance by 1. It is just the thing for needing higher cent while near cap.
Free City means one of the cities we gain won't contribute to admin strain.
EJ gives us an extra point of Centralization to push us to 9, hopefully ending the crisis. It also gives us a point of stability, which should offset the loss from SS.
Charcoal Kilns give us enough forests so that our passive policies can build Ironworks on their own. Hope they take the initiative.
Porcelain Works is just there to give us money.
{M} Invite Freehills + Trelli to Games
{S} Enforce Justice
{S} Free City
{S} Build Roads
{G} Charcoal Kilns
{G} Porcelain Works
The total Econ cost is 2 (free city) + 1 (roads) + 2 (kilns) + 2 (porcelain) = 7. After spending 4 econ on our weapon storage, it should leave us with 10 (+4) [-1], so this level of spending is quite safe.
The total Wealth cost is 2 (roads) + 2 (kilns) - 2 (works), which brings us down by 4 and then up by 2; it should also be safe.
Invitations spread good-will all around from stopping the war. Depending on how things go I am comfortable changing this around to something else.
Roads increase Cent by 1, but also Cent tolerance by 1. It is just the thing for needing higher cent while near cap.
Free City means one of the cities we gain won't contribute to admin strain.
EJ gives us an extra point of Centralization to push us to 9, hopefully ending the crisis. It also gives us a point of stability, which should offset the loss from SS.
Charcoal Kilns give us enough forests so that our passive policies can build Ironworks on their own. Hope they take the initiative.
Porcelain Works is just there to give us money.
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- Hell
Organizational
Centralization 7
Hierarchy 7
Religious Authority 8
Lord's Loyalty
The ties between the People bind tight, and while this increases the obligations of the superior, it also makes the subordinate more likely to listen.
Pros: +1 Subordinate States, subordinate states less likely to break away
Cons: Minimum force commitment in defence of subordinates and allies increased one step, worse consequences for failure to assist
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All of this!
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Centralization 7
Hierarchy 7
Religious Authority 8
Lord's Loyalty
The ties between the People bind tight, and while this increases the obligations of the superior, it also makes the subordinate more likely to listen.
Pros: +1 Subordinate States, subordinate states less likely to break away
Cons: Minimum force commitment in defence of subordinates and allies increased one step, worse consequences for failure to assist
THIS
All of this!
This all needs to be upgraded! This hijacking cannot stand.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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This is less expensive than the Prototype Weapon Storage option, but the Weapon Storage has a good chance of improving our cent requirement. This is because it would be centralizing the weapons of our army in singular places where they can be watched, so that we don't get "angry dudes with weapons" syndrome, it is also more effective if we get it in if we put it together before we ramp up production. E: Additionally it cuts down on black market weapon dealing.
As a general comment we should avoid the Main Distribute Land and associated The Armoury Purse idea because that is pretty much exactly what bit Rome with their reforms.
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I say switch it out with a Survey Land. Even if they refuse to grant us free passage and go back to 2 Wealth, trade disruptions should be gone giving us three.
Searching for Silver also keeps us ahead of the return of the Liquidity Crisis.
Survey Land is not a Guild Action. Please limit yourself to putting Guild Actions in Guild slots
.[X] [War] Attempt to mediate a peace between the Trelli and Freehills (-4 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, chance to open the Strait for free)
[X] [Mercs] Stick around unless they intend to go after the Khemetri (Mercs still paid by Freehills barring war dec on Khemetri)
[X] [HS] Increase Iron production to makethings cheaper (Redshore Ironworks [-3 Econ, -3 Tech, 2 Sustainable Forest used,Expand Econ additional +1 Econ, -1 EE,-1 Tech] + Sec Survey, Reforms advance)
[X] [Mercs] Stick around unless they intend to go after the Khemetri (Mercs still paid by Freehills barring war dec on Khemetri)
[X] [HS] Increase Iron production to makethings cheaper (Redshore Ironworks [-3 Econ, -3 Tech, 2 Sustainable Forest used,Expand Econ additional +1 Econ, -1 EE,-1 Tech] + Sec Survey, Reforms advance)
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how do we go for that?
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AN clarified that Trelli and Freehills are mostly in deadlock, with neither side being able to beat the other on their side of the strait.
I want to keep the mercs in order to stop Trelli from getting enough of an advantage to soundly beat Freehils, and if both sides can't beat the other they will be more likely to sue for peace instead.
I'm viewing like how the Khem were suppling Trelli with iron weapons in our war with them, since it allowed for them to stalemate us until the war became too unprofitable and both sides decided to sue for peace.
We need to act more loyal? Or spend actions on support subordinate? Do something crazy that could have us hurting big time like what we did to gain that trait?
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[X] [War] Attempt to mediate a peace between the Trelli and Freehills (-4 Diplomacy, +1 Stability, chance to open the Strait for free)
[X] [Mercs] Take their pay and head out, further commitment is not worth it (+2 Wealth, mercs disengage)
[X] [HS] Prototype Weapon Storage (Palace Arsenal + Storehouse Annexes, Reforms advance)
I feel most comfortable with this combo.
[X] [Mercs] Take their pay and head out, further commitment is not worth it (+2 Wealth, mercs disengage)
[X] [HS] Prototype Weapon Storage (Palace Arsenal + Storehouse Annexes, Reforms advance)
I feel most comfortable with this combo.
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I never remember thinking that.
Edit: I mean for fuck sake the city of Byzantium lasted for a shit ton of time against a good size empire, why would the nation that is effetely the same thing would fall EASILY?
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Yeah, it's not like we could do it before we even had a Naval stat and Trelli were not super exploding. Oh wait.*massive navel invasion on a fucking coastal city
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To be fair, had you gone for Trelli, you would have brought your warships and gone from two directions at once, and could have used your ships to transport your troops to within range to march on and besiege Trelli from the north-west. Hiring out cut out those routes.
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More influence and support projects. More Roads, More Governor Palaces. They all assist in ensuring the government has control over its resources.
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The hell are you talking about?
Consensus was that we'd probably be able to do it, but it certainly wouldn't be completely trivial. Note that we're providing no naval support here.
1) you're missing a secondary
2) We're going to be at 0 Stability. I'd prefer to increase that.
3) I'd prefer not to do roads until we have a better position and more knowledge of our Centralization cap.
My personal preference would be to have 3x EJ again, or maybe do an RO+PG or something
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He didn't say we'd would have took it mind you.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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And you should note that we would need to seige the city instead of walk in and done.
BungieONI
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Well I, for one, did not give a flying byakkee about if we could take it or not.
But that's in the past.
And we will have to make the hard decision of committing genocide or ethocide.
Shard
One and Many
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The impression I had gotten from the discussion was that it would have been very easy to conquer the Trelli. All the points and arguments on invading the Trelli being a disaster were administrative arguments.