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maximillian said:
The real question of the ages is :
How can we improve the quality of our wool to make it its own trade good?
I want my renaissance finery God dammit!
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If you check the civ sheet, we have "minor trading" in "common textiles" so we're trading at least some wool, presumably

Romv said:
Huh, hadn't even noticed it wasn't the same in the list, I just remembered it was two of both and went looking for an update with the option.
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yeah...i'd say this increases the odds our admin genius is going to integrate part of Txolla, or maybe gulvalley or western wall this turn...
Candesce said:
This doesn't seem like much of a problem, between a fair fraction of voters wanting to integrate a colony and not having a Baby Boom going on.
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Yeah, last time we had a chance to integrate gulvalley, they had 3 econ and 8 econ expansion. They've spent... 5 econ since then (1 survey, 2 walls, 2 raise army), and don't have a true city, so they should have 6 total LTE, but even thats enough to keep us safe for a while. Western Wall's 4(?) provinces and Txolla's 2 integratable provinces should both have a ridiculous amount of LTE for us; enough that we'd probably pop at least one of our cities, honestly.
 
Umi-san said:
Legacy Gained
Well Known: Foreign nations have heard of you and are curious about this power over the horizon. Random chance of foreign diplomats arriving every main turn. Minor increase in Trade Power, Pilgrimage, Inward and Outward Tech Exchange. Legacy lost after having less than 100 Prestige for 5 or more turns.
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I would add a random chance that every turn a nomads horde or a nation would attempt a war action against you, after all smacking down a power known far and wide would conclusively show the world that you are more than capable "down there"
 
maximillian said:
I would add a random chance that every turn a nomads horde or a nation would attempt a war action against you, after all smacking down a power known far and wide would conclusively show the world that you are more than capable "down there"
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foreign diplomats

wouldn't it be "up there"? Nomads are hardly smart but are fairly *coughs and blushes* vigorous.
 
Abby Normal said:
If you check the civ sheet, we have "minor trading" in "common textiles" so we're trading at least some wool, presumably


yeah...i'd say this increases the odds our admin genius is going to integrate part of Txolla, or maybe gulvalley or western wall this turn...

Yeah, last time we had a chance to integrate gulvalley, they had 3 econ and 8 econ expansion. They've spent... 5 econ since then (1 survey, 2 walls, 2 raise army), and don't have a true city, so they should have 6 total LTE, but even thats enough to keep us safe for a while. Western Wall's 4(?) provinces and Txolla's 2 integratable provinces should both have a ridiculous amount of LTE for us; enough that we'd probably pop at least one of our cities, honestly.
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That Txollan province close to the cataracts is going to be nuts when it comes to expansion in particular, especially since they have taken to using black soil.

I'm expecting some kind of Low Econ/Extreme Econ Expansion kind of ratio due to the low, comparatively, population density.
 
Abby Normal said:
If you check the civ sheet, we have "minor trading" in "common textiles" so we're trading at least some wool, presumably


yeah...i'd say this increases the odds our admin genius is going to integrate part of Txolla, or maybe gulvalley or western wall this turn...

Yeah, last time we had a chance to integrate gulvalley, they had 3 econ and 8 econ expansion. They've spent... 5 econ since then (1 survey, 2 walls, 2 raise army), and don't have a true city, so they should have 6 total LTE, but even thats enough to keep us safe for a while. Western Wall's 4(?) provinces and Txolla's 2 integratable provinces should both have a ridiculous amount of LTE for us; enough that we'd probably pop at least one of our cities, honestly.
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Wool isn't exactly a common textile,at least not fine wool, that's a bulk luxury good that requires extreme specialisation and can fuel a whole continent's economy.



Historically, flanders and Italy had entire cities whose entire economic structure was built around wool manufacturing. So much so that the decline of the wool trade changed the regions from the priemer economic powers of Europe(and the americas and near east) to somewhat significant regional powers.
 
Incidentally, here's the info on overcrowding, since while we should be safe via integration or the like, we're still closer than we have been in a long time, and i personally had forgotten the info on it:
Academia Nut said:
  • You start hitting Overcrowding. At -1 or -2 you will just be more vulnerable to political chaos and disease, but much lower than that and bad things start happening, most simply being the loss of Econ to free up room (depending on how deep in the hole you are, it may be an unfavourable exchange). If you're low on Econ, this can have obvious bad results as your Economy crashes and you are simultaneously restricted in your capacity to increase it.
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Godwinson said:
Which is clearly a reference to King of the Hill.
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Sure, I can accept that.

But I'm not going to discount that KOTH is all there is in there, since it makes sense to me that something may happen at 100. That's a rather absurd amount of prestige, especially compared to the last King of the Hill for our region, the Xoh-Thunder Horse Empire only having around 50-54 and the Khem having something like 60 at the end of the Dragon War.

Considering that Prestige has no cap at all as well as how our local civ's have never gotten near 100 as far as we can see and that 100 is a nice round and significant number, I'd expect 100 to be Legacy worthy.


pblur said:
Oooooh yeeess...

I can feel my withdrawal symptoms fading already.
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Wolfy! Heyo!

Waaaaassup?
 
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I could see there being downsides to super high prestige relative to your neighbors.

Like, slowing down the spread of tech from neighboring civs, because they're "barbarians" compared to you.
 
100 prestige : the entire not!near east knows of the kingdom of Ymar, it looks with awe and opportunistic expectation.

200 prestige : the tribes of the eastern Stepps and the petty kings and chiefs of the west know of the Ymaryn, many seek the wealth and wisdom that can be found in that distant realm.

300 prestige : the great empires and kingdoms of the the eastren lands know of the Ymaryn, the trade brings great wealth. Yet the ancient lands do not look kindly upon the Ymaryn pretense of civilisation, but they would see the light and submit to the true civilizations, like all other barbarians.

400 prestige : Polynesian fishermen find Ymaryn glass bottles floating near their shores.

500 prestige : the great old ones take notice of the Ymaryn. Woe unto the world.....
 
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HeWhoAdds said:
I could see there being downsides to super high prestige relative to your neighbors.

Like, slowing down the spread of tech from neighboring civs, because they're "barbarians" compared to you.
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Definitely, since Prestige is in large part how our civ views itself. But like Umi said Pride in Acceptance counters that to a large amount, or at least shifts how it would manifest.
 
maximillian said:
100 prestige : the entire not!near east knows of the kingdom of Ymar, it looks with awe and opportunistic expectation.

200 prestige : the tribes of the eastern Stepps and the petty kings and chiefs of the west know of tg and Ymaryn, many seek the wealth and wisdom that can be found in that distant realm.

300 prestige : the great empires and kingdoms of the the eastren lands know of the Ymaryn, the trade beings great wealth. The ancient lands do not look kindly upon the Ymaryn pretense of civilisation, but they would see the light and submit to the true civilizations, like all other barbarians.

400 prestige : Polynesian fishermen find Ymaryn glass bottles floating near their shores.

500 prestige : the great old ones take notice of the Ymaryn. Woe unto the world.....
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Ooo that last one.

Let's get there as quick as possible!

I wanna have tea with Crow!
 
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