- Location
- Australia
Eventually, but there's too much stuff happening recently for us to be able to take that action.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Hell
What were you going to argue about?
- Location
- United States
It's because instead of figuring out how to make boats to sail further and longer, instead there's just a closer port so the fishermen don't need to get creative.
- Location
- Australia
We can always do Expand Fishing after we do the new settlement. Then they will once again have to make the choice between founding a new settlement and improving boats, and then we'll choose to improve boats.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It's possible that your presence would have pushed them over the edge in not being able to pull off the trick they did, but ehhhh... *waggles hand* maybe?
Yes, but you have to devote both each turn and it consumes double the Econ.
The coastal village and the northern settlements have walls (small ones for the smaller northern settlements), every village has pastures and farms, although the majority of the farms and step-farms are in the valley villages.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
Getting 2 econ for 1 stability is a better deal than getting 3 econ for 2 stability.
Getting 4 for 2 is the same deal, but with complications. The straight 2 for 1 deal means we can otherwise ignore the hit and act as we wish.
Of course, there are questions about denying the DP people, and how this action might affect that... but that's entirely hypothetical and might even backfire on us if we're unlucky. The straight math is much more certain.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Not saying we should force it. Yet. Just debating what the statement about fishing is referring to. We can do it later, and we should, but there are more immediate concerns.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
On that note @Academia Nut , how extensive are the forests, currently? I know they are a little sparse in the north, but how sparse, exactly?
- Location
- Las Islas Filipinas
[X] Encourage people to flee to you (Large stability hit, massive Econ gain)
[X] Sizeable number of war carts and Blackbirds with shaman support (Definite Martial loss if things go poorly)
If we somehow survive the stability and martial hits then we need to raise our defences and martial next turn. We barely did anything during our raids on the DP, now with actual battles we have no chance. Maybe we can acquire a martial of our own somehow?
[X] Sizeable number of war carts and Blackbirds with shaman support (Definite Martial loss if things go poorly)
If we somehow survive the stability and martial hits then we need to raise our defences and martial next turn. We barely did anything during our raids on the DP, now with actual battles we have no chance. Maybe we can acquire a martial of our own somehow?
Note that LoO says we get "a large boost to Econ and technological and social advancement." The last two are pretty darn interesting, in addition to the Econ.
[X] Encourage people to flee to you (Large stability hit, massive Econ gain)
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Pronouns
- He/Him
What settlement?
We double down on economic growth and preparing for the Grand Canal project.
[Main] Establish Annual Festival
[Secondary] New Settlement - River Confluence
[Secondary] Expand Farms
War footing should the DP surge past the WC. Work less well for the NN.
[Main] Establish Annual Festival
[Secondary] More Blackbird
[Secondary] Build Wall - Settlement nearest the WC.
Deal with the outbreak of war with the NN.
[Main] Establish Annual Festival
[Secondary] Expand Pasture
[Secondary] Build War Carts
Of course, if war breaks out in those two locations at the same time, then we're in a bad situation.
[Main] Establish Annual Festival
[Secondary] New Settlement - River Confluence
[Secondary] Expand Farms
War footing should the DP surge past the WC. Work less well for the NN.
[Main] Establish Annual Festival
[Secondary] More Blackbird
[Secondary] Build Wall - Settlement nearest the WC.
Deal with the outbreak of war with the NN.
[Main] Establish Annual Festival
[Secondary] Expand Pasture
[Secondary] Build War Carts
Of course, if war breaks out in those two locations at the same time, then we're in a bad situation.
- Location
- United States
I don't really think it's hypothetical at this point. The western side of the DP territory was devoid of any settlements to raid for econ, if we take away the refugees then the DP will face econ issues...maybe even a stability hit.
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Just want to say that the whole quest seems to me to be more about the narrative than hard numbers.
While according to the numbers going for small instability might have some merit, the narrative, at least in my opinion, strongly benefits with the "all in" option.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
Yeah, but it's just those losers from the WC. I doubt they have much tech to offer, and they can keep their stinking social traits to themselves!
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Like I said, I never expected anyone to agree with the thought.
They were targeting villages with large hosts of warriors and deliberately seeking out conflict with other warriors. I imagine we'd have done okay with hit-and-run, but if they happened to descend upon the settlements our men were based out of...
Doesn't take into account that we'd be drawing more people away from the DP as slaving targets. While the first two Econ might hurt the DP, the last third or fourth will definitely take something from them. Plus...
It's not just econ, it's also tech and social values, scaling with the number of people we take.
Fair enough.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] Encourage people to flee to you (Large stability hit, massive Econ gain)
[X] Sizeable number of war carts and Blackbirds with shaman support (Definite Martial loss if things go poorly)
[X] Sizeable number of war carts and Blackbirds with shaman support (Definite Martial loss if things go poorly)
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
The numbers reflect the narrative.
The -2 stability WILL have a narrative effect, and possibly a rather extreme one.
- Location
- United States
The WC have textiles tech IIRC.
Agree.
Thus I am all for doubling down on stability raising options the coming turn.
And it should be a net -1 stability, bad, but manageable if adressed at once.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
I very clearly did mention denying the DP their targets.
I also suggested that it's very much a hypothetical benefit that might not apply the way you expect it to. It might not apply at all. And if we're really unlucky, it'll apply in a way that harms us.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
That was mostly a joke response, but isn't it possible that the more mild option could still get us textiles?
Look, what I'm saying is that hypotheticals can take us anywhere you imagine, but the reality very rarely matches expectations.
The math however, is honest. You can trust that to be true.
Taking the larger option is a risk, and I don't think people are giving that risk the credit it deserves. Y'all should be more pessimistic.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
I rather lose stability then let the priests have more people to feed off of.