Paths of Civilization
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BungieONI
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Been there for several days.
Ghostdevil
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Phew, that's good
(Though after I posted that comment, I reread it and I didn't like my word choice since it could lead to negative implications of what I meant, phew thankfully that didn't happen
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Phew, that's good
(Though after I posted that comment, I reread it and I didn't like my word choice since it could lead to negative implications of what I meant, phew thankfully that didn't happen
Ymaryn: What's racism?
Earthling: Umm.....discrimination based on skin tones.
Ymaryn: *snort* Is that a joke?
maximillian
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Now now, if you truly cared for social equality, you wouldn't be advocating for any kind of Socialism.
And what makes you think i adore inequality? I wouldn't champion the dissolution of the central government if I wanted oppression.
BungieONI
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Phew, that's good
(Though after I posted that comment, I reread it and I didn't like my word choice since it could lead to negative implications of what I meant, phew thankfully that didn't happen
Yeah, our entire Sharing Circle/CA traitline has heavily disinclined them from ever developing that sort of thing.
Well, those are already halfway there.Well, to be specific, wasn't that more "AN's example of a super biased opinion on the palace"? It's certainly a useful opinion set, but i dont think it should be taken as gospel
Abby Normal
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Huh...i just realized something i missed in my original analysis of guild mercantile, that will make @maximillian very happy:
"Special: Lower level subordinates with economic authority require extra attention, so certain actions will raise the minimum Centralization required to maintain a government" was part of Palace Economy, not our Political System like i'd thought. Which means Distribute land shouldn't worsen lower centralization cap anymore
"Special: Lower level subordinates with economic authority require extra attention, so certain actions will raise the minimum Centralization required to maintain a government" was part of Palace Economy, not our Political System like i'd thought. Which means Distribute land shouldn't worsen lower centralization cap anymore
Hmm? No, it'll still do that, it just won't cause economic collapse.
We get city-states breaking away, instead.
maximillian
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Ehh you know what, fuck it.
I'm redoing my party thing. Instead it shall be my declaration to myself and the thread at large what my interests are, but I will no longer consider it even jokingly a voting block(too much work!). If you, reader, share my interests let me know. All those already supporting the Goblet, feel free to continue to use it, or not. Your interests probably still align with mine even after this change.
Bungie's Interests!
I still think this is a cool flag. I'm keeping it, but people can throw it around if they want.
I like Ymaryn survival and prosperity.
My Motto in general: Sometimes people are dicks, doesn't mean we have to be.
My interests. Do you, reader, share them?
Economy:
I like the interconnected flow of goods in the suzerain-tributary relationships of the mandala system. Recent developments mean we are in the stable Guild Mercantile system. As such I will aim to change away from it towards the mandala, though I acknowledge that the Guild system has enormous boons like incredible passive policy power(which means some hilariously powerful action potentials if used properly). Luxury goods are greatly appreciated and supported as the gateway to advancing Ymaryn culture. Shiny things are nice for my inner magpie.
Thus, patronage of the arts and support for those artisans, as well as the wine, dyes and salt that made the Ymaryn their name in trading shall be a goal of mine.
I've been a long term advocate for technical advances to streamline production, as their benefits are multiplicative, and the delegation of mineral rights with Royal support I'd like to see continue. The delegation of land is something I am cautiously hopeful about, for as the Ymaryn people grow larger, it may be necessary to use it to discover administrative advances. Together I hope these goals will allow the Ymaryn people, from the least to the greatest have more time, and opportunity, for cultural and technical activities for the betterment of all in a glorious and Joyous Symphony.
Education:
I firmly believe that the way to prosperity and broken OPness is firmly to lie in education. The opening of education to more people will require the establishment of many temples and library complexes, greatly pleasing the priests and installing them as our teachers. It has also been brought to my attention that Theatre and other culture boosters are likely better for educating the masses. As a very positive side effect this will let more of the public interact more easily with the clergy in times of trouble, reducing stress and increasing happiness on a civilizational level.
Health and social care:
The core of our Law is based on the health and care of our peoples, all peoples. As the priests and shamans are our doctors and mental health experts we must support them by building more places for them. I personally feel that I must also see to it that our leaders have access to these professionals so that they can correctly make decisions that help keep our society healthy. I think we can do this simply by expanding the shrine annex and the previously mentioned building of more temples.
Government:
Not too much, not too little is my ideal. A hard balancing act certainly, but one the party is confident it can do. Based on what I know I believe the State is a powerful tool for caring for and supporting the People. The state should act as the shield for the people, defending them in times of trouble and times of peace and care for their ills in all times. The State should also endeavor to maintain internal Logistics and essential services while also constantly improving the quality of said services and quality of life for all Ymaryn. Without the people the State has nothing to support and thus no purpose and thus no power. As such it should not become so top heavy that it strangles those it cares for, and so at times a pruning and streamlining will be required, as can be seen with our laws.
Foreign affairs and defense:
A core belief of mine is that in these times of the Late Bronze Age our fellow humans are oft times not very harmonious. However, I hold no ill will for them and in fact would far prefer to take them into our sphere as friends. In support of this I will be pushing for trade missions to our neighbors and diplomatic overtures, with the goal of forestalling war and future friendships. Trade Posts will also be encouraged as the closest things we have to a embassy at this juncture.
My view on expansion is a complex one. Conquest for the sake of land is not necessary, and is actively detrimental to the Ymaryn if a sudden reversal occurs. However, there is a long history for accidental gains being made, so the party has a state of caution and watchfulness. As a support to our caution and watchfulness I support the expenses necessary in military innovation as well as reforms as necessary. I also think any gains made this way must be fortified quickly and thoroughly. Also I really like Cosmopolitan Acceptance so all those who seek to come to our borders for asylum and care will also be welcomed to the best of our ability, and I will endeavor to expand that ability, for I very firmly believe that with patience and care all Peoples will become one.
So I guess technically that I no longer consider myself part of "The Goblet", which is funny since I was the founder, so you folks that are still a part of it do what you want. My interests are similar to yours so yay! We can agree on things!
Yeah, my thing was me being bored out of my skull. Now I'm just stating clearly "Hey thread! These are my interests! If you also share them, cool, let me know so we can talk about them! If not, oh well!"
One red down, two more left to go.
Actually, it won't be just the Ymaryn who'll be laughing at this concept. You could probably count the Khemeti and the Romans. Racism as a concept just doesn't exist.
BungieONI
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If so then that means Guild Merch must have the tools needed to ensure subordinates stay on courses beneficial, through riding herd or mutual benefit or some other means.
Abby Normal
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I edited my post if you saw the original version where i quoted the wrong special, but the one i actually meant to quote (and now have) is specifically about "certain actions will raise the minimum Centralization required to maintain a government"
Ah.
Hrm. Well, we'll see. Convenient if true, given we're about to have to put a whole bunch of work into handling true cities and won't be able to depend on Wildcat for keeping our centralization under control.
Abby Normal
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Actually i think it just means that subordinates having more power is no longer a direct threat to the economic system; having our nobles have more control over land was a way bigger problem when a lot of the power of the state was tied up in "all economy goes through me". Its way less of a danger to our system now that allowing guilds and industry in general way more leeway is the norm. Of course, that doesn't mean distribute land doesn't have problems. It just means that one of those problems is gone, because we've half internalized that problem into our economic system. We've already taken one of the negatives of distribute land (giving up the states near total control over the economy) by switching economic system, so now distribute land "just" has the issue of further empowering and entrenching our noble class and giving them even more of a lever against the central government
Concho117
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You should join us on the Light Side of the Econ!
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Should I stay up for update or go to sleep? It's one o'clock and I have woooork.......but I don't want to miss the update.......
Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, I'm going to support putting up roads - given our oncoming storm of True Cities and Free Cities, keeping our people connected and promoting cultural mixing has become even more important.
Concho117
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10ebbor10
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Abby Normal
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I'm honestly not too bothered by it. Guild Mercantile is powerful; its risky, but its powerful. If the chance to switch to Mandala drops in our lap, i'll vote for it, but otherwise, i really dont think its worth the effort it'll take to go from "you don't even get a roll, you literally almost only met requirements for Guild, the only prereq for Mandala you met was having Palace before" to actually having Mandala, especially since we'd probably need to focus on it right away before Guild Mercantile is entrenched, and we have so many other priorities right now... About the only plan for getting mandala i'd support is going for a golden age based in part on wealth in hopes that we can get a golden age innovation choice for switching economic systems.
@Academia Nut yeah, if i were to stay up...say another half an hour to an hour, would an update be likely?
Eh? It's unlikely he'll close the vote for the next update within the next 15 hours or so, double updates don't generally happen on weekdays. So long as he can log on before then he's probably not going to miss it.