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Offer tribute is wining by almost 2.5 times continue war
Adhoc vote count started by Stelarwand030 on Jul 30, 2017 at 3:51 PM, finished with 89474 posts and 98 votes.
 
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Guys, guys.

They border us now. They're a valid target for cosmopolitan acceptance. Whose up for causing the Exodus?
I was actually thinking along these lines.

It's a nifty way to slowly drain them. Won't touch the core much but their colonies should be weak while we grow stronger.
 
And then we got round two and they will probably field iron weapons by then. I've mostly switched over since I hope the hype about getting steel will actually work out and we keep the advantage.

The most important thing right now is to murder the HK and turn them into a march. Without the backstab and the area getting cut off from supplies, we would have won this.
Removing that obstacle and focussing on military for a while should mean that we will win this when they come back for the rematch.

Not to mention that this gives Txolla-chan more chances to fortify and bulk up. Txolla has the potential to be equal to the Thunderhorse on their own, they hold a huge piece of absolutely prime quality land. And next time the Thunderhorse are unlikely to have a heroic martial king.
 
Partially. They would have a chance at losing Stability from going this long, instead of the guaranteed Stab (well, RA) loss they would have from going the full turn. Not that they care really, they can tank Stab hits stupidly well.



Depends on how long the war goes, but there will be some choices about that in the midturn.



Locally they are depleted, but they probably have like 5 right now and can probably call up another 5 to 7 over the midturn.



At least 2 Main worth of actions.



The companies folded into each other due to depletion. They are likely to abandon this campaign at the first opportunity.

What does our General and Adviser think of the Situation?
 
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)
 
Ah, how nice of this thread to be sensible. That allows me to fully follow my delusions to the end~<3

Sure, let them back off and rest up. I don't mind waiting for our second dance~
 
Not to mention that this gives Txolla-chan more chances to fortify and bulk up. Txolla has the potential to be equal to the Thunderhorse on their own, they hold a huge piece of absolutely prime quality land. And next time the Thunderhorse are unlikely to have a heroic martial king.
*looks up from food*

Oh that's actually a good point.


Really my thoughts on this whole thing. If the HK weren't around, we'd have been able to win earlier. So I say take them, subjugate them, and absorb them.

Then kill the fuck out of the Khem if they come back, which is reduced in likelyhood if we trade with them and we have significant reasons to do so. Shafting the Trelli, interacting with the Khem in a way that promotes peace.
 
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)
 
we have lost tens of thousands of men, more than a percent if not more of our population, we have created tens of thousands if not more orphans, we have bled far too much, it's not worth the blood.

3.3% in this battle alone.
I would not be surprised if we lost tenth of our population in the overall war. I am pretty sure this is the bloodiest war in the history up to this moment.
(To be fair, a lot of those may be 'only' wounded enough to stop fighting, but that's still insane)
 
Not to mention that this gives Txolla-chan more chances to fortify and bulk up. Txolla has the potential to be equal to the Thunderhorse on their own, they hold a huge piece of absolutely prime quality land. And next time the Thunderhorse are unlikely to have a heroic martial king.
Know what would be fun? Turning the irrigation systems of Txolla into a trap for them.
Once we see them coming, we open a few specific floodgates and turn the whole area into nice swamp they all can go die in.

The one big advantage these guys have is their mobility and that they regularily manage to smash through our garrisons and surround the cities. If we can bog them down by turning the terrain against them, it will become much easier to defend the lowlands.
 
[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
 
3.3% in this battle alone.
I would not be surprised if we lost tenth of our population in the overall war. I am pretty sure this is the bloodiest war in the history up to this moment.
(To be fair, a lot of those may be 'only' wounded enough to stop fighting, but that's still insane)
Looking at our med tech I'd say a statistically significant fraction of our people are probably only injured casualties.

Might create some interesting social consequences.

The Bronze Age just ended with a very bloody bang.
 
When was the earliest historic IRL battle with those kinds of numbers?
According to List of battles by casualties - Wikipedia (which, unfortunately, only lists battles with >50k casualties and thus doesn't really give a full picture of the trend over time), the Roman Seige of Jerusalem AD 70 had something like 65k casualties (not deaths, just casualties) and the Seige of Constantinople in the 700s had roughly 150k (again, casualties, not deaths).

Hopefully, this thread will vote to burn the highshits to ash next turn.
You have my vote.

it only buys a few turns while our Tech Advantages Drip away.
Somehow you misspelled "while we arm all our forces with steel"

The most important thing right now is to murder the HK and turn them into a march.
I agree HK are next step. Why a march specifically? (forgive me, not super familiar with the mechanics of vassals)

And next time they come they will be larger
So will we

We'll have steel

will likely not be susceptible to collapse as they are now
They aren't susceptible to it now. AN said a little while ago they could tank stab hits like nobody's business.

They'll think they deserve it since they won the war
They didn't win, we paid them to acknowledge our superiority and overthrow the king who started the war, plus the prince wants to enshrine our badassitude in monument form. Yes we will have to fight them eventually, but we have at least five turns' worth of actions to prepare (minus some for putting out fires and stomping HK).
 
I was actually thinking along these lines.

It's a nifty way to slowly drain them. Won't touch the core much but their colonies should be weak while we grow stronger.
I'm actually curious about their values. We'll probably go into a proper infrastructure rush pretty soon, and the Khem must have pretty useful values related to those.

Or even if they have a Divine Mandate value that turns the king into an avatar or voice of the gods may be interesting to play with.
 
It is spitting on the ashes of the fallen to continue fighting over pointless posturing when we can facilitate a regime change instead and save more lives.
Just because our people are grimly willing to fight if they must does not mean that they want to fight, or that encourage more fighting.
Dick-Waving? I want the Khemetri dead or broken in collapse. All other Choices lead to them fighting us again as they now have Take the Crown CB at all times. Our people will always Die, but let us not make their sacrifice both insulting and Pointless.

Also glad to hear you consider the Lives of Fictional beings so important that they shouldn't be risked, but are equally unable to conceive that they Deserve to be avenged and not have their Killers rewarded for the deed.

If you want to sacrifice (Future) lives over pointless dick-waving (About Ideals), be my guest, but at least be honest about it.
 
*LEWD ALERT*


No, it really doesn't, because paying the prince to assassinate his dad removes KotH from the Khemetri and thereby allows us to build in trade ties AND AN has confirmed it'll be at least a century before they're willing to even consider taking another shot at us. I really like our odds with another century of prep.


If we try to do so into their lands, yes. We have lots of other directions we can grow.


AN confirmed they won't be willing to try to attack us again for at least a century.


It's not tribute, it's a really expensive assassination of the king who started all this. Remember, proportionate justice! The common people of Khem don't need to keep bleeding to appease their arrogant overlords if we end the war here.


Exactly :D


Pft. Weaklings.

It says tribute in the vote. If they want Peace from me all they need to do is go home. I will not compromise with evil.
 
Actually you know what

[X] Continue the war

Either we'll conquer or we'll be destroyed by our own hubris. Either way is fine with me :V

Certainly there have been no cases of polities suffering devastating setbacks at the hands of a third party after exhausting all their resources and manpower in a prior struggle.

There also totally never has been a case of polities appeasing an aggressive foreign power and then being absolutely dismantled after that either.
 
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