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Susano said:
None of them have such an awful geographical and geopolitical situation as Txolla.

And I would absolutely be willing to temporarily give up and withdraw from Redshore in order to save Valleyhome, or to withdraw from and temporarily give up Valleyhome in order to save Redshore. That's how you fight wars. By temporarily giving up territory if need be. This has nothing to do with the fact that Txolla is a vassal instead of core, but everything with their position. If we clinge to every scrap of our territory, trying to never have an occupation of even just the smallest bit of our territory for even only the shortest amount of time, then we surely will lose.

The German-Russian front 1943-45 has shown what happens if you give an "absolutely never give ground ever" order: You get your armies encircled and lose. In our current situation, we must see our entire territory, core or subordinates as strategic depth to be used as a resource if need be. Hell, we even get a bonus for fighting on our territory!
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We aren't Russia. We can't do what you are suggesting. Every inch lost shatters our people's confidence in the King, making the war harder and harder to fight. Where Russia could withdraw and burn anything and everything, we literally cannot do that unless we willingly sacrifice the stability ahead of time.

You really need to understand, the Ymaryn literally can't give up land, it's why AN said we were so brittle when we go on conquest sprees. The more we take, the more we must hold. Most other civs can afford to give up land, we can't.
 
Raichu1972 said:
I still think that the Thunder Horse are weaker than the Khemetri.

They are closer, and thus more immediately threatening, but the Khemetri are richer, have more warriors, and they are also much better armed.
That is why I want to destroy the Thunder Horse first, because the Khemetri will take much longer to wear down and destroy.
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HK....
 
BungieONI said:
There was actually an interesting conclusion that the Hathatyn had some trait from the Gardeners line like Divine Stewards. And now look at them. Granted they may have been able to gain things back but the way it seemed to work was, they lost land and took a stab hit, then they had a choice to reconquer or face another hit.
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Well, when we took the Land it technically belonged to no one, who asked them to fall into a Dark Age? :3
 
10ebbor10 said:
We fell back quite a bit this turn. No stab hit, IIRC

I'm pretty sure the hit onlu happens when we admit we can't get it back. It doesn't require tactical idiocy.
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I'm pretty sure we lost a stab because we started falling back and got pushed into a defensive war, but we still control most of our territories, or are at least contesting our enemies in most of our territory.
None of it has yet been permanently lost, and I want to keep it that way.

Umi-san said:
HK....
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Iron is not as good for weaponry as Bronze, it's just much easier to deck out an army with.

The Khemetri have armies fully decked out with Bronze, and they have much larger armies.
I would rank them as the bigger threat.
 
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Come on everybody. We took a beating but is time to stand up and get back in the fight?



I wish omakes got rewards. That would really motivate people to make them. Especially right now. Even if it was a measly +5 to a roll that can prevent major crit fails.
 
Chronic said:
To be honest, i am really hoping that the Genius General is our Jean D'Arc. That would be suitably epic.
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Having a woman genius general would do wonders...and not. Remember that Equality is not about earning it, but to have it as a natural born right. One of our best woman administrators explained it as not having once in a millenium amazing heroines, but by having normal Queens more often.
bluefur87 said:
When this comes up, can we have a dedicated category for these actions? Something like [MM] and [MS]?
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With our usual project votes as [Main] and [Secondary]
I would suggest something [Alpha] and [Beta]

Very difficult to confuse with other vote subjects and unlikely for Academia Nut to use. Also, personally, sounds more sciencey so that is a plus in my books :3
 
10ebbor10 said:
We fell back quite a bit this turn. No stab hit, IIRC

I'm pretty sure the hit onlu happens when we admit we can't get it back. It doesn't require tactical idiocy.
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We lost a stability, which was probably partly due to losing land. Plus, the enemy hasn't 'taken' land yet. It was mentioned that the HK just bypassed most towns, and Txolla still has its settlement intact. They've been besieged, but our lands haven't truly fallen yet.
 
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Actually, considering how tummoltuous this whole thing is, and the uneasiness I feel over the situation, I'm going to void my vote and abandon thread until the next update. Good luck, to all of you, and may Crow and our as-yet-to-be-named War God watch over you.

[x] clear

o7
 
BungieONI said:
There was actually an interesting conclusion that the Hathatyn had some trait from the Gardeners line like Divine Stewards. And now look at them. Granted they may have been able to gain things back but the way it seemed to work was, they lost land and took a stab hit, then they had a choice to reconquer or face another hit.
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So interestingly, the civ we killed first... was the one closest in nature to us.

Ah yes. Ymarryn HALPING again.

*sighs*

Seems like we do need to fight in Txolla. Crow damnit. This will be awful.
 
Citino said:
We aren't Russia. We can't do what you are suggesting. Every inch lost shatters our people's confidence in the King, making the war harder and harder to fight. Where Russia could withdraw and burn anything and everything, we literally cannot do that unless we willingly sacrifice the stability ahead of time.

You really need to understand, the Ymaryn literally can't give up land, it's why AN said we were so brittle when we go on conquest sprees. The more we take, the more we must hold. Most other civs can afford to give up land, we can't.
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This is more or less correct there's probably a little wiggle room for when we losing land but haven't been pushed out of the area but we are very brittle. Which is why we should be getting the we have reserves upgrade it is our most anti brittle value.
 
[x] [WB] Gain the The King Still Stands Legacy
[x] [Hero] Gain a Genius general
[X][War] Western Lowlands (Highlanders + Thunder Horse)
[x] [Kick] 2 Stability

The hope here is that by contesting the TH in three different fronts, we can alleviate pressure on the Txolla. It's not ideal, but the HK need to be knocked out of this war, and storming their fortifications, occupying their lands and putting a torch to everything we can't hold- that will fuckover their presence in the various Valleys.

It's not ideal, and the Txolla probably won't be fully reclaimed by the end of this turn, but it's not wholly abandoning them to the wolves.
 
Manget said:
This is more or less correct there's probably a little wiggle room for when we losing land but haven't been pushed out of the area but we are very brittle. Which is why we should be getting the we have reserves upgrade it is our most anti brittle value.
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Hum, I'm guessing the We have Reserves Upgrade would be something like the Roman military Service...
 
tryrar said:
@Academia Nut since we now have the stats for Guild Mercantile, would we have an idea for the stats for Classic Mercantile? Just for comparison on where Guild is better
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Less ability to withstand temp Econ damage, fewer policies, fewer bonus actions, but increased Wealth generation.

Also, yeah, why not?

Locking in

[X][WB] Gain the The King Still Stands Legacy
[X][Hero] Gain a Genius general
[X][Kick] 2 Stability
War Priority
1) Txolla
2) Western Lowlands
3) Hatvalley
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
Actually, considering how tummoltuous this whole thing is, and the uneasiness I feel over the situation, I'm going to void my vote and abandon thread until the next update. Good luck, to all of you, and may Crow and our as-yet-to-be-named War God watch over you.

[x] clear

o7
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See you man, thanks for the blessings.
Hopefully we will still be here.
 
Sivantic said:
Having a woman genius general would do wonders...and not. Remember that Equality is not about earning it, but to have it as a natural born right. One of our best woman administrators explained it as not having once in a millenium amazing heroines, but by having normal Queens more often.
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Eh, it isn't about equality, it is more about making this war even more legendary than it already is (because women generals are rare as hell she'll stand out a lot and will almost certainly be remembered by history) and to see the look on the face of the Khemetri God-King when he is beaten by a woman.
 
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Raichu1972 said:
Ah, sorry. I didn't really get what you were trying to say, but yes the HK are the weakest of our enemies.
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I mean, I was going off of what you or whoever said - that the TH was the weaker of our enemies. I had expected that discussing the HK would be viewed in that context. I suppose that it's easier to keep context in mind when you're the initiator. My apologies for not referring to it.
 
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