Unfortunately, we aren't seen as weak. Our reputation preceded us.
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Unfortunately, we aren't seen as weak. Our reputation preceded us.
DocMatoi
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No, CA means we're always seen as weak
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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@Academia Nut do the palace annexes cost 2 progress each (as the half-cost Great Hall only taking 1 progress suggests), or 3 progress (to take a secondary each)? If the former, then if we take a secondary action to build one and half build another, will our infrastructure policies prioritize finishing that half-built one for us? Especially since using one of the free policy progress for that would leave the aqueduct at 3 total progress, within range of either a secondary from us or a single turn of our policies.
The negaverse thought otherwise. Of course it might just mean that they might be forced to go to war when they don't want to, especially if they have low stability.
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Our Reputation proceeds us with our neighbors, and maybe some of the Mediterranean Nations, but not so with the Nomads.
This isn't much of a problem anymore, because we can physically meet them in a show of force now, but if so Nomads come by and hear of the rich Hill People who take in the unwanted, they would think of us as and easy target, and would dismiss the Tales of the Red Banner and the Fall of Xohyr as exaggerations from weak, settled people.
We know EXACTLY how bad things get:
-Tech 0 - Nothing.
-Tech -1 - Lose the passive innovation roll for 1 turn while it refills.
-Tech -2 - Lose the passive innovation roll for 2 turn while it refills.
-Tech -3 - Risk of losing unsupported technologies
That's standard for our actions here.
Additionally, there are no known ways to randomly lose Art, and thus, no known ways to randomly lose Tech.
Ergo, the only reason for Tech to hit negative and stay negative is if we deemed an opportunity more valuable than 2 turns of passive innovation rolls.
There is no urgency to rush Tech points when our ass is on fire.
Never said that, I said Arsenal 4 gave better R&D benefits than Library 4
Not that Library 4 is a waste of space.
You have to recall that the Palace is primarily a place of governance not scholarship. That's what the Temple Libraries are for
Library 1 - Records storage.
Library 2 - Records and reference materials storage
Library 3 - Records, references, and esoterica storage
Library 4 - Records, references, esoterica and trivia storage
Libraries preserve ideas.
But if you want to create ideas, you need:
-Research staff - We don't have this. This is behind Shrine 2
-Experimental production - We don't have this. This is behind Arsenal
-Experimental gardens - We don't have this. This is behind higher levels of Garden.
A library is not a magic technology button. It's biggest boon to technological advancement is that it saves a lot of manpower from the process of passing down knowledge and cuts the risk of information loss.
Is there a purpose to the Temple having a library recording every bit of esoteric knowledge like the growth patterns of leaf veins? Yes, absolutely. Priests reference it to come up with ideas and theories, leading to mathematics or biology knowledge advances.
Is there a purpose to the Palace having a library recording the growth patterns of leaf veins? Not nearly as much, the King and other decisionmakers are generally too busy to read or enjoy esoteric trivia. You would need say, a body of expert craftsmen or a large number of in house priests to make use of that.
The Royal library is not intended to be a comprehensive and complete collection of all the People's knowledge, and attempting to do so provides diminishing returns unless paired with similar levels of Shrine and Arsenal to provide enough priests and engineers to make it useful.
So you look at the other Annexes:
-Great Hall 1 - Basic hall for meetings.
-Great Hall 2 - Grand hall for audiences
-Great Hall 3 - Auditoriums or ballrooms for making speeches to the elite.
-Great Hall 4 - Grand courtyard for semi-public events
Great Hall scales fairly well with Royal functions. Generally the bigger the better.
-Shrine 1 - Shrine housing the royal spirit advisor.
-Shrine 2 - A full Royal Temple, which contains additional staff to advise the King on more exotic stuff and conduct rituals under royal auspices. Kings are more likely to have non-zero Mysticism
-Shrine 3 - A temple grander than Great Temples outside(at least, while we hadn't upgraded them). The Palace becomes a religious center in it's own right. On the plus side average Kings will start having passable Mysticism scores.
This is actually not good if you wish to avoid God-King as you go too high.
You can see some of these will hit diminishing returns sooner.
Furthermore, each of the expansions will bias the Royal seat towards different aspects of society by increasing access from those segments to the Royal person, Shrines and libraries to priests, Great Hall to nobles, Arsenal to artisans and warriors, Storehouse to clerks, Gardens to farmers.
Now, given indefinite expansion room, I believe an 'ideal' mid term Palace for the goal of technological advancement is:
-Arsenal 2
-Shrine 2
-Storehouse 2(after Arsenal 1 to house both materials and output)
-Gardens 2(After Shrine 2 to provide greater access to herbs and drugs)
-Library 3(after Shrine 2 and Arsenal 1 to provide the experts to use it rather than a white elephant)
-Great Hall 3(after Shrine and Arsenal 2 to rebalance royal access rather than overly favor the Guilds or Priests)
Though considering it takes 14 slots and we currently have 11, you can see the problem.
They don't have the Great Pyramid yet. It's currently a ziggurut I think.
Pyramid is the next step up.
We could, of course, snipe it out from under them.
What? Yes they do; that's why we can't do the Hill Megaproject anymore. We literally cannot beat them at that, anything we try will be seen as a cheap imitation.
maximillian
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If ye really want to go down the kek lane. Have it be a condition of peace that thier God King wears a gold crown in the exact shape of a phallus. The appropriate royal titles will have to be added as well.
VoidZero
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We're not stealing it per se, we're preserving it!
How.... British.....
What is the line between grave robbing and archaeology?
About forty pages in a peer-reviewed journal I believe.How.... British.....
What is the line between grave robbing and archaeology?
BungieONI
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Damn that's vindictive.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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I kinda want to merge with the Kemetri and build a garden around it. Like a sacred marriage deal between nations.
Considering irl Egypt had many dynasties and all, this is possible. Their farming skills are up to snuff considering the Nile, they are perhaps even more egalitarian then us, and their wonder buildings skills put others to shame. With our technology their slavery practices would be easy to abolish or change. Slavery in Egypt wasn't even all that bad. From what we can tell and I've read it was more like our half exile system unless you were a captured enemy warrior. Masters would often free and adopt their slaves/servants. And it's very hard to disconcern whether one was a slave or servant. Sometimes the freed and adopted slaves would receive inheritance or be Wed to family members.
The slave trade was also quite small until the New Kingdom period. The bulk was debt driven or indentured to avoid poverty.
Which is why I want to make friends with Kemetri-kun. I don't want Trelli to infect Kemetri!
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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Just like science eh?
Difference between messing around and science is writing it down proper~~
Ah well, my crystal ball prediction of this war is !Suddenly! nomads!
DocMatoi
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If they're really Not!Egypt, there's a chance they already do, minus the gold. Behold the two crowns of the Pharaoh!
"King Narmer wearing the White Crown (busy smiting) from the Narmer Palette (ca. 31st century BC)"
"King Narmer wearing the Red Crown (pictured with his eponymous catfish and chisel) from the Narmer Palette ca. 31st century BC"
Source: The White Crown, Red Crown, and Blue Crown of Ancient Egypt
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maximillian
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If he's really good, he can spin it off as him being a fertility God.
But it's gonna make diplomacy awkward as hell if not impossible. Especially considering the rituals and ceremonies associated with fertility.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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They probably have a similar pantheon to actual Egypt.
And that means weird sex stuff. And that means a dick crown or staff will probably be less humiliating than you hope.
maximillian
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If they're really Not!Egypt, there's a chance they already do, minus the gold. Behold the two crowns of the Pharaoh!
Thats an oddly shaped nipple, not a penis. And the second is a tongue and lip.
They must have had very interesting coronations....
That 41 is NOT low?
Reminder that before electing Phygrif we were at Prestige 26 as of Competing Interests.
We got to 40(aka a peer of them now) by razing Xohyr in Endings.
Then we stayed thereabouts until Make the Punching Stop, where we punched everyone in the dick to get to 46.
Along the way we built:
-Greater Sacred Forest - Tier 2 Megaproject
-Palace - Tier 1 Megaproject
-Census - Tier 1 Megaproject
-Iron Age Law - Tier 2 Megaproject
In rapid succession.
We were well below the Khemtri until we stuck our dick in the lowlands and fucked everything.
We are actually, consider:
-Highlanders were defeated by us.
-Thunder Horse were defeated by us.
-Swamp Folk were defeated by us.
-Thunder Speakers ate popcorn while watching us defeat everyone else.
-Nomads thought we were weak.
-The Trelli thought putting a colony next to us was a good idea
Our reputation doesn't precede us. Our reputation had been scarred into all our neighbors after we fought three of them at one go and won.
We're that shy kid in the garden who turns out to have a dozen knives in her pants.
Of course, now that we have scalemail, bronze age civilizations are suitably impressed when even merchant guards have metal armor.
Concho117
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PSA: Do NOT Google Search 'Phallus Crown'. That way lies bad things.
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That would 100% not work though.
We pick our King from influential families, while the Khemetri have a Line of God Kings.
to unify with them we would have to convert to their religion and subordinate ourself to the existing dynasty of God Kings. We would then have to follow their rules exactly, and likely become a colony or something similar with limited ability to so anything.
Our styling of government are so different from each others that the Khemetri would collapse if they adopted our government or religion, and we would begin to chafe under their government and religion and desire independence.
Plus, the Ymaryn are very against Slavery, and would likely not want to unify with a Slave Nation, regardless of how little slavery they actually have.
Concho117
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*chuckles*
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DocMatoi
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we stuck our dick in the meatgrinder and broke it.
They don't. We asked AN, the Mountain is NOT a Pyramid, its a mound structure like this: Newgrange - Wikipedia
Pyramids is next, but having built the Mountain they have discounts and probably unlocked it early
The Egyptian High King crown fuses the two.
Also he has to ritually masturbate in public annually tobprove his fertility
Abby Normal
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No they definitely built the pyramids:
They built the mountain megaproject, which unlocked the pyramids wonder, which they built, blocking off both the megaproject and the wonder to others.
Edit: And since i've been insightful'd by AN i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say i'm right
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