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VoidZero said:
They are twins and have tried to fool AN to mention only one of them. :V



We are at stability -1 now, so grabbing both options in case shit drops.
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The Restore Order Proclaim glory combo give a minimum of 1 stab, which puts us at neutral, and 3, which puts us at 2.

The Festival is unnecessary when we could easily get at least 2 stab next turn with a main Proclaim Glory, and could even pair it with a sec festival to get up to stab 3 if we need to.

Main PG is worth more than Main Law, so taking main Law now so we can take Main PG next turn makes sense.
 
Hangwind said:
No, we can't. We're already having trouble keeping our warriors in line, and that's with white Martial! We literally can't afford to fully win right now!
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We dipped into Red martial with a surprise Stability drop before the Census completed and raised the cap.
Andres110 said:
Do not start this shit. The word "wrong" is worthless if applied without morality. Do not say or imply that it might be right to do things because it's advantageous to us. The entire basis of morality is that "I will harm someone because it's advantageous to me" is wrong. If you must argue against doing the wrong thing, say that it's because it gives us material advantage, not because it fits some useless definition of right or wrong.
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I'm still saying it's objectively wrong because attacking them won't do a thing about keeping iron secret, it only creates people who hate us and have iron(compared to our long history of helping them with things we have right now) WHILE spreading iron out into the wider area.

Forgetting the moral argument the practical argument is a flop. We'd need to attack them across an enormous distance into highly defensible terrain.
As people getting iron goes, metalworkers are probably the 'best' as much as there's a best.
We've had long term friendly relations with them, and they are too far to conflict anytime soon.
PrimalShadow said:
Why are people voting for a festival this turn instead of the Law?

Festival gives us +1 Stability. The Law frees up a Main next turn, which can be used to get one stability AND do other useful things. Or just get multiple stability.
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Narrative effects mostly.

As had been identified previously, a Festival is exactly the sort of thing to smooth out the issues with culture clash along our fringes, and it reinforces the purges of Restore Order by telling people what to do to avoid being purged.
 
Raichu1972 said:
The Restore Order Proclaim glory combo give a minimum of 1 stab, which puts us at neutral, and 3, which puts us at 2.

The Festival is unnecessary when we could easily get at least 2 stab next turn with a main Proclaim Glory, and could even pair it with a sec festival to get up to stab 3 if we need to.

Main PG is worth more than Main Law, so taking main Law now so we can take Main PG next turn makes sense.
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...why would we main PG next turn, since sec PG guarantees we get the lost legit back? More likely we secondary festival.
 
thatguy said:
No, bribing get them leads to them targeting the metal workers and getting iron that way.
It's a catch 22.
Best plan is to lure them into the marches then smash them
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Since we are in universe very worried about the Nomads getting iron, it would be stupid of us to bribe the Nomads into attacking the metal workers and getting iron.

We'll likely try to either pacify them or get them to go away, further up north.
 
Raichu1972 said:
The Restore Order Proclaim glory combo give a minimum of 1 stab, which puts us at neutral, and 3, which puts us at 2.
The Festival is unnecessary when we could easily get at least 2 stab next turn with a main Proclaim Glory, and could even pair it with a sec festival to get up to stab 3 if we need to.
Main PG is worth more than Main Law, so taking main Law now so we can take Main PG next turn makes sense.
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This assumes AN not rolling any other events between this mid-turn to beginning of next full turn. I have a bit of trust issue with AN's dice rolling habits.
 
Potato and Chip said:
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)

So somebody else figured out iron huh? Well no matter, we just need to do a few study metal actions until we come up with steel. We've been making iron for such a long time and in such vast quantities somebody must have noticed some accidental steel.

Which reminds me...

@Academia Nut what ever happened to those "mechanical bows that shoot rocks" we put so much resources into? I haven't seen any mention of them since that turn where we chose how much resources went into studying them.
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Failed apparently but got converted into trip hammers, which are more worth it since they let us make Iron plates. Which leads to plate armors and the like as well as a massive boost to the production of all products that need pounding somewhere in there manufacture including iron weapons and tools.
 
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)
 
tryrar said:
...why would we main PG next turn, since sec PG guarantees we get the lost legit back? More likely we secondary festival.
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Main PG gives 2 stab for 1 action, so in a worse case scenario we can use it to bump up stab real quick.

We could use the Main for anything, since we don't need it for the Law, which is why we should do the Law now so we can have flexibility next turn.
 
thatguy said:
No, bribing get them leads to them targeting the metal workers and getting iron that way.
It's a catch 22.
Best plan is to lure them into the marches then smash them
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Why would we bribe them to go after the Metalworkers who have been uninterrupted trade partners for centuries and would give them iron? Instead of say...the Thunder Horse or Thunder Speakers who don't have iron and had taken a swing at us lately?
 
Raichu1972 said:
Could I ask why you want to do a festival this turn over starting the Law, when we could start the Law this turn and Proclaim Glory next turn for 2 stab?

I've just seen a lot of people voting for it without any explanation or justification.
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Sivantic said:
Saddened that we won't try to get to the bottom of this...

But a good chance to start a Golden Age next turn is just as good! :p
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*stares judgingly*

I gave my reason in the very post you quoted.

As an addition, I have stated several times I literally could not care less about optimal action efficiency.

Also I very much doubt the thread will take another Stability option next turn.
 
VoidZero said:
This assumes AN not rolling any other events between this mid-turn to beginning of next full turn. I have a bit of trust issue with AN's dice rolling habits.
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If something bad happens between now and next turn, wouldn't you rather have more flexibility in dealing with it through having an open main than having to use it on the Law?
 
keenscythe said:
[X] [Crisis] Try to get to the bottom of things (???)
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As tempting as this sounds for some people, I really think the bandwagon of impulse votes for it is a poor decision.

Consider that at least part of the problem is our low stability. Further consider that we're going to be aiming for the Law soon, which is a more widespread answer.
 
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Andres110 said:
Do not start this shit. The word "wrong" is worthless if applied without morality.
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Saying that 2+2=5 is wrong. Making a sword out of solid gold with the expectation of using it for combat is wrong. Sticking a fork in an outlet is wrong.

The definitions of adjective wrong according to google are:
  • not correct or true
  • unjust, dishonest, or immoral
One of those meanings refers to morality; when used that way, wrong is synonymous to immoral, unjust, etc.
The other is a more general meaning; when when used that way, wrong is synonymous to incorrect, mistaken, unsound, etc.


I intended to distinguish those, but since you take offense with my semantics let me taboo the word "wrong" and try again.

No it can't. It is not a valid casus belli, which is why Stability will drop if we attack them. If they got it by doing what the HK tried to do - trying to kidnap our smiths - then it would be, but they didn't, so it isn't. Killing and subjugating a whole bunch of people for peacefully developing iron is wrong.
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Is in unjust? Yes.
Is in unsound? Well, it depends on how you reason about such things...

(Note: I've since gotten multiple replies reasoning that it would in fact be unsound, and I think they have a lot of sense to them and make good arguments.)
 
Sivantic said:
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*stares judgingly*

I gave my reason in the very post you quoted.

As an addition, I have stated several times I literally could not care less about optimal action efficiency.

Also I very much doubt the thread will take another Stability option next turn.
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Getting a Golden Age would require that we get a perfect restore order roll, then don't take any stab drops for the entirety of next turn, which is highly unlikely considering that the Law is likely to cause all sorts of problems and we currently have a shit ton of fires going off around us all at once.

IF you think we can get a golden age, then I guess you can try your luck, but I'm pretty sure that it's not going to happen.
 
[X] [Census] Streamline lower bureaucracy (+1 Passive Policy)
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [Diplo] Attempt to bribe the Lightning Wolves (Sec Trade Mission + Sec Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Begin work on Iron Age Law Reform (-3 Mysticism, -1 Art per action, 3-4? actions required)
 
Raichu1972 said:
If something bad happens between now and next turn, wouldn't you rather have more flexibility in dealing with it through having an open main than having to use it on the Law?
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Like, yeah, starting the project early has advantages, but try not to get too hung up on them to ignore advantages of other actions.

Stability now is definitely not a bad vote.
 
pbluekan said:
[X] [Diplo] Eliminate the Metal Workers before they can spread their knowledge (-1 Stability, Redeploy Red Banner, Greenshore converted to a colony)

I would rather the stability options, but this is a serious problem if it cutting into our innovations. The Ymaryn way is always the hard slog, because there is gold at the end of the road.
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That option is the very antithesis of the Ymarryn way!
 
[X] [Census] Chance to upgrade We Have Reserves
[X] [Crisis] Instruct and reprimand rule breakers (Sec Restore Order + Sec Proclaim Glory)
[X] [Diplo] Hit these nomads before they get going (Main War Mission + Redeploy Red Banner)
-[X] [Diplo] Free Switch to Offence Policy
[X] [React] Stabilize the People (Main Improve Annual Festival)

Let's hit the Nomads now! We have so many Warriors at the moment who are skirmishing with their neighbors, let's use them and eliminate the heroic king and his tribe now!

We can do it folks! We can do it!
 
bluefur87 said:
Like, yeah, starting the project early has advantages, but try not to get too hung up on them to ignore advantages of other actions.

Stability now is definitely not a bad vote.
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It's not technically a bad vote, and I can get why people are doing it, but I do think it is demonstrably worse than not starting the Law this turn, for reasons that I have already stated many times.
 
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