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Speaking of which, there is probably a The Law (Bronze Age) megaproject. So we'll probably be doing the equivalent of a tier 3 megaproject while missing one of its components.
 
Rakuhn said:
Speaking of which, there is probably a The Law (Bronze Age) megaproject. So we'll probably be doing the equivalent of a tier 3 megaproject while missing one of its components.
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Gleck!

Agggggghh. Plz no!

Arlos said:
Thanks!
Hu, considering that we are in the Mid-bronze age that's a good number. I guess our little corner of the world is rather advanced...
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We in particular are very advanced in some areas. Our QM has described our tech advances as schizophrenic before, meaning we have some trees we are really far down and others we have kinda ignored.

Have you read the tech tabs on the front page?
 
BungieONI said:
More of what we have been, mostly.

The adviser system is one of the best things we have cooked up in this thread. Like if during the first tax crisis we had asked what they thought the simplest choices were, we would have been much better off. We did a little of that during the Occupational Debacle, it didn't quite help because of a loophole no one realized was even there but it really blunted the issues.

I am strenuously supporting we do the same when we get to our tax reform.


Aside from that though I'll need to think about it. My brain is still full of Free Cities.
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I also think we need someone what's going on at the moment in our Society, because I kind of noticed reading everything at once that we only we told of problem when they were literally exploding in our face, having someone take the temperature of things and report directly to the king would go a long way toward alleviating this problem.
I mean, we didn't even now when our LAW began to become obselete, we just kind of noticed when it made an Enormous hole in our eco.
 
Arlos said:
I also think we need someone what's going on at the moment in our Society, because I kind of noticed reading everything at once that we only we told of problem when they were literally exploding in our face, having someone take the temperature of things and report directly to the king would go a long way toward alleviating this problem.
I mean, we didn't even now when our LAW began to become obselete, we just kind of noticed when it made an Enormous hole in our eco.
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We might get this kind of information once we set up a Free Press or something similar.
 
Arlos said:
I also think we need someone what's going on at the moment in our Society, because I kind of noticed reading everything at once that we only we told of problem when they were literally exploding in our face, having someone take the temperature of things and report directly to the king would go a long way toward alleviating this problem.
I mean, we didn't even now when our LAW began to become obselete, we just kind of noticed when it made an Enormous hole in our eco.
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I put part of that to not using the adviser system as much as we could, but it is a good suggestion in and of itself and funnily enough TheDanishLord's suggestion of more Blackbirds is actually one way to do it. Have them take the temperature so we can head off problems before they actually become problems.

A little weird to be sure but it's probably easier to get to then polling.

Another is some how developing a complaints box.


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Actually now that our government has been upgraded we should as a thread regularly ask about the tone of the appeals that reach the king. What big trends are we seeing? That sorta thing could be very useful.
 
I actually do agree that we should hire more blackbirds when we have the time and martial space to do so. They seem like they could evolve into special forces or espionage if expanded enough.
 
BungieONI said:
I put part of that to not using the adviser system as much as we could, but it is a good suggestion in and of itself and funnily enough TheDanishLord's suggestion of more Blackbirds is actually one way to do it. Have them take the temperature so we can head off problems before they actually become problems.

A little weird to be sure but it's probably easier to get to then polling.

Another is some how developing a complaints box.


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Actually now that our government has been upgraded we should as a thread regularly ask about the tone of the appeals that reach the king. What big trends are we seeing? That sorta thing could be very useful.
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Yeah, a lot things that probably were problem weren't really told, the law being one example, the road being another.
I'm also having suspicions that we are having problem with our Artisans but no one is telling us anything about it
*eye everything suspiciously*

By the way, on another note, do we have a Calendar? What about a Start chart to help our Sailors navigate? And in what state is our peacekeeping force?(aka police) do we even have one?
 
Arlos said:
Yeah, a lot things that probably were problem weren't really told, the law being one example, the road being another.
I'm also having suspicions that we are having problem with our Artisans but no one is telling us anything about it
*eye everything suspiciously*

By the way, on another note, do we have a Calendar? What about a Start chart to help our Sailors navigate? And in what state is our peacekeeping force?(aka police) do we even have one?
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Place to the Stars maybe
 
PyrrosWarrior said:
I actually do agree that we should hire more blackbirds when we have the time and martial space to do so. They seem like they could evolve into special forces or espionage if expanded enough.
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*points at that one reference in Rain, mud and mosquitoes where they were said to fight out of season*

We sorta have them like that, since fighting out of season is a big deal right now. But that's really only a nitpick, as they have a long way to go.

I am definitely okay with expanding them for the reasons you outline and additionally because AN has said(during the whole occupational debacle) that they are probably the closest in training to even be remotely useful as police officers.

He has also directly said that doing more of them will let us eventually spy on other peoples, way back in the depths of the thread.


Arlos said:
Yeah, a lot things that probably were problem weren't really told, the law being one example, the road being another.
I'm also having suspicions that we are having problem with our Artisans but no one is telling us anything about it
*eye everything suspiciously*

By the way, on another note, do we have a Calendar? What about a Start chart to help our Sailors navigate? And in what state is our peacekeeping force?(aka police) do we even have one?
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Have you read those tabs yet?
The roads were mentioned as being marginal for a veeeeery long time in the action description, but yes we really could have asked better questions.
Artisans could be a thing.

No calendar yet, that's what the Megaproject Place to the Stars may work towards giving us. If it doesn't give us one outright. Star chart is the same, needs the Place to the Stars. No police yet just city guards and our ninja Blackbirds. Blackbirds are the ones with the most potential to become like police.
 
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Arlos said:
Yeah, a lot things that probably were problem weren't really told, the law being one example, the road being another.
I'm also having suspicions that we are having problem with our Artisans but no one is telling us anything about it
*eye everything suspiciously*

By the way, on another note, do we have a Calendar? What about a Start chart to help our Sailors navigate? And in what state is our peacekeeping force?(aka police) do we even have one?
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Academia Nut said:
Primarily community policing. So if there is an issue you go to your clan head or local occupational association leader (or the matter gets brought to their attention because its really obvious, like a public fight or murder with a body but no witnesses), who acts as judge and assesses penalties and corrective action. For more serious matters with semi-permanent punishments like half-exile you usually have to go at least up to the level of village chief. Outside the cities guards tend to be the local warriors as they are more concerned with outsiders , while inside the cities the cities there are local warriors attached to the leadership but more frequently you just have the largest members of the artisans acting as enforcers for their leaders.

The Blackbirds are like a combination of FBI, KGB, and Army Rangers. Their training is more about stealth and assassination, but eavesdropping on internal issues is also within their wheelhouse.

The king is the chief executive, a key legislator with ultimate veto power, and the supreme court (literally, you can theoretically appeal any decision all the way up to the king, although whether or not you should is another question, as it is fully within his rights to levy fines for wasting everyone's time with a frivolous appeal).



They tend to wear additional layers of jackets, vests, and sashes on top of the standard tunic and kilt of most of the People, with considerably more colour, in both volume and variety of dyes used. Badges of various metals and precious or semi-precious stones signifying rank, station, and personal accomplishment are common. While this can be enough medals to make a Banana Republic president nod in approval, it can also include ritual headgear with sacred objects like specially treated crow or eagle feathers, or even certain designs on their clothes. Men and women tend to wear elaborately braided hair held together with bands of intricately gold, silver, and copper, and men typically extend this to their beards as well. Bleaching and dying hair in fantastical colours is also a common method of showing off wealth and status. Belts are pretty much the only way to hold clothes up and are fairly common among all classes, with the elite strata frequently having large and prominent buckles. Footwear depends a lot on climate, but is pretty much all leather and can be everything from boots to sandals.
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You know, people forget that while we may have iron age technology, we don't have Iron Age institutions yet (the Census, the Law). Culturally we're still Bronze Age. And we still aren't at a Greek level of scientific and philosophical development, much less the at the level we need for an industrial revolution. This is assuming that there won't be some Bronze Age collapse that will send us back to the stone age. Honestly deep down I'm kind of hoping that there will be a Bronze Age Collapse, because we've been winning for so long that it's gotten boring. A social fracture will spice things up.
 
Raichu1972 said:
I can't entirely agree with you on this.

I agree that rule by the elites is better than a democracy at this time, but that doesn't mean that we can't be Lawful Good instead of Lawful Neutral.

We can have an elite that rules over a peasant class while providing them with food and safety, which is what we currently do, while also allowing them to address their grievance to the government and try to receive justice, which is something that we also do.

Being Good and being Lawful are not things that have to conflict with each other.
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When there's no conflict (or even minimal conflict) I think we SHOULD swing good.

But if there if conflict, lawful wins every time.
Raichu1972 said:
I guess it depends on how you define Lawful Neutral?

To me, it's defined as basically following the Law, be it our Law or the Highlander's Law or the (hypothetical) Thunder Speaker's Law.

If said law says slavery is ok, then you're ok with slavery, and so on and so forth.

Lawful Neutral with Good tendencies is basically Lawful Good to me, so I'm not sure what the distinction between the two is.
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Lawful is in the service of Order, not simply 'following local laws.' Some laws are more Lawful than others in the d&d sense.
 
Concho117 said:
snippy snips
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Hmm! Your skill with digging up obscure AN quotes is improving. Soon you shall be slinging the word with the best of the best. :V


gutza1 said:
Honestly deep down I'm kind of hoping that there will be a Bronze Age Collapse, because we've been winning for so long that it's gotten boring. A social fracture will spice things up.
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Well I'm gonna come right out and say that my feelings for this kinda thought are: holy shit I don't agree!

Just looking at the average stress level I have to deal with reading this silly thread most days I can tell you for sure that I don't feel like things are uninteresting.

E: Said it once before but I want to be able to legitimately claim to some upstart civ that they "... Have no idea what we have seen or experienced in the course of 10000 years!" which of course requires existing as one civ for 10,000 years.
 
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I dunno, it feels like many of the features that the Ymaryn have acquired, Palace Economy, Divine Stewards, Cosmopolitan Acceptance, cultural divergence with the Stallions, Greater Sacred Forest dependencies on having libraries and educated experts, social fracture if Stab + Leg <= 0, etc., are all adding up to a failure cascade of titanic proportions.
 
I vote that if nothing blows up that we keep hammering out a few megaprojects for the next few turns.
 
gutza1 said:
You know, people forget that while we may have iron age technology, we don't have Iron Age institutions yet (the Census, the Law). Culturally we're still Bronze Age. And we still aren't at a Greek level of scientific and philosophical development, much less the at the level we need for an industrial revolution. This is assuming that there won't be some Bronze Age collapse that will send us back to the stone age. Honestly deep down I'm kind of hoping that there will be a Bronze Age Collapse, because we've been winning for so long that it's gotten boring. A social fracture will spice things up.
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No way! When we get to modern time I definitely want the ability to claim that we are THE Oldest civilization around.
I don't think things are uninteresting, as is it is we are just starting our civ in my point of view :3
 
Arlos said:
No way! When we get to modern time I definitely want the ability to claim that we are THE Oldest civilization around.
I don't think things are uninteresting, as is it is we are just starting our civ in my point of view :3
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I don't mean complete destruction of our civilization, I just mean adding some extra conflict.
 
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