No were not expanding until after we integrate at least 1 of our vassals and get the palace.
It's virtually unquestionable that we should get the Stallions integrated, I agree there. The palace would be very nice, but we won't be able to get it until the crisis is ending- and that's when everyone else will be trying to expand too.

edit: Assuming you mean Subordinate/Periphery states instead of vassals. Our vassals can't be integrated until we expand towards them first
 
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[X] [Main] New Trails
[X] [Main] New Trails x2
[X] [Secondary] Expand Forests
[X] [Policy] Offensive

[X] [RB] West, through the hills

[X] [Wonder] Library
-[X] [Wonder] Valleyhome
 
Look back and found this.

Mmmm boi. Okay then.
Yep.
She's a bitch.
I dislike her if I wasn't being obvious enough when I said she and her father where Arse holes and included the argument in that little snippet into my original counter statement against your 'Crow and his descendants literally did nothing wrong' claim.

Crow was a rapist, murdering raider who was basically a Nomad except he had less of an excuse for it as there was actual food and fertile ground.
Ash was an overly proud brute who became obsessed and drove himself murderously crazy and nearly fucked everything up.
The Daugher was a vindictive, manipulative, ungrateful woman who tried to kill all Ymaryn for the crimes of one and then screwed us over when we showed her mercy.

The Grandson was decent in the end though, although his mothers influence did make me rather dislike him for a while
 
The last time a new province was brought up the Admin Advisor's analysis was that we would probably explode. We need the Palace before we can do any expansion, potentially even before we can integrate the Stallions.
I am unsure if upcoming queen is an admin hero. She might manage it without the Palace. We'll have to see, though, if she is an admin hero next turn might have her determining most actions.
 
With the double-main roads this turn solving our primary divergence admin problem
It does not.

We have multiple problems, and they're all aggravating each other:

1) The North doesn't feel connected to the South, and the Hathatyn remnants don't see why they're still sticking around rather than forging their own way, either. New Trails helps with this.

2) We've got vulnerable borders, and if we don't back up our vassals, we risk a Divine Stewards and Lord's Loyalty based cascade failure - failure to protect a subsidiary leads to stability losses leads to subsidiaries breaking off leads to more stability losses. We need to win all our wars and retrench to hedge against this.

3) The big one. Our civilization is too big for our current government to administrate. Roads make it easier for us to send orders around, but they also make it easier for settlements to pass their problems up to the King and increase the number of orders that the King needs to send. The Stallion Tribes alone is already pushing this; trying to add more provinces past them is certainly voting for us to shatter. Fixing this means reforming our government, either through the Palace or through trading to a less centralized government.

Keep in mind that we've been warned that the less centralized government wouldn't be able to carry out the King's expected duties, and that as such (and because of the existing dissatisfactions) it'd probably start a civil war.
 
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Yep.
She's a bitch.
I dislike her if I wasn't being obvious enough when I said she and her father where Arse holes and included the argument in that little snippet into my original counter statement against your 'Crow and his descendants literally did nothing wrong' claim.

Crow was a rapist, murdering raider who was basically a Nomad except he had less of an excuse for it as there was actual food and fertile ground.
Ash was an overly proud brute who became obsessed and drove himself murderously crazy and nearly fucked everything up.
The Daugher was a vindictive, manipulative, ungrateful woman who tried to kill all Ymaryn for the crimes of one and then screwed us over when we showed her mercy.

The Grandson was decent in the end though, although his mothers influence did make me rather dislike him for a while

I think these were more like proto-ymaryn. There used to be other tribes in the same valley as us, but we absorbed them all.
 
Nice fortune cookie quote.....

Seriously what does this even mean though? It's all about opinions? Or might makes right? Or history decides?

No offence meant but I have no idea where you're going with this.
It's a quote from A Practical Guide to Evil that the protagonist tends to repeat to herself whenever she does something morally reprehensible in the pursuit of her ambitions. Basically, 'don't pretend something horrible is justified, recognize you're a horrible person even if you're doing it for what you believe to be the right reasons'.

Justifications only belong to the just.
As much as I appreciate the series, that's not necessarily relevant here considering the entire argument is whether Crow or his daughter are decent people not if they're just. The weight of the People's Justice has already fallen, at the very least, in the favor of the Daughter of Crow.
 
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@Andres110 you're wrong BTW in that paying the RB would have us at -2 wealth. You're kinda forgetting that one of the results of making phyliss here king was turning the HH to a march IIRC, so they no longer drain wealth.
After all the posts and clarifications, I don't get how you could still misunderstand. I'll go over it again.

We currently have the Red Banner Company and they take -1 Wealth per turn. If we found another mercenary company while we still have the Red Banner, we will have 2 mercenary companies meaning we'll have -2 Wealth per turn. If we found another mercenary company after the Red Banner has died off, we will have 1 mercenary company and only have -1 Wealth per turn.

You can figure out the rest of what I was saying from my posts. Don't be wrong again please.
 
It would be the equivalent of teabagging someone, in that you are showing such utter dominance over them you are sending a gift while fighting them.
I... REALLY want to do this. We are the insufferable elves. This is really the only appropriate move.

You keep on advocating this, and it keeps on being a bad idea. We have not fixed our admin overload yet.

Probably we leave them on Offense, unless we're lucky about how the war with the Highlanders goes. If we are lucky, we should go with Balanced.
Trade is better for rebuilding our stats, amd we KNOW what infrastructure we need to build, and even have a lot of will behind doing it right now.

Balanced would be a mistake, because it might well burn the stats we need for roads and temples on other projects.
 
[X] [Main] New Trails
[X] [Main] New Trails x2
[X] [Secondary] Expand Forests
[X] [Policy] Offensive

[X] [RB] West, through the hills

[X] [Wonder] Library
-[X] [Wonder] Valleyhome

After what AN says I know they won't die. This is primarily to make the war go better and end it sooner.
 
After all the posts and clarifications, I don't get how you could still misunderstand. I'll go over it again.

We currently have the Red Banner Company and they take -1 Wealth per turn. If we found another mercenary company while we still have the Red Banner, we will have 2 mercenary companies meaning we'll have -2 Wealth per turn. If we found another mercenary company after the Red Banner has died off, we will have 1 mercenary company and only have -1 Wealth per turn.

You can figure out the rest of what I was saying from my posts. Don't be wrong again.

We don't gain or lose wealth if we have two mercenary companies since the cost would be equal to what we make from trade.
 
I think these were more like proto-ymaryn. There used to be other tribes in the same valley as us, but we absorbed them all.
Yeah we were Pre-Ymaryn and we were inviting in everyone who wanted to join us peacefully, Crows Tribe was one of those who just ignored us and raided anyway. To absorb Crows Tribe we ended up giving them all the warrior jobs, which gave them the best women, food and eventually social positions.
It was peaceful but they took over us because of the Daughter and she did it like that purposefully via her son.
 
Yeah we were Pre-Ymaryn and we were inviting in everyone who wanted to join us peacefully, Crows Tribe was one of those who just ignored us and raided anyway. To absorb Crows Tribe we ended up giving them all the warrior jobs, which gave them the best women, food and eventually social positions.
It was peaceful but they took over us because of the Daughter and she did it like that purposefully via her son.

I think that was before we acquired the sharing circle trait?
 
It's a quote from A Practical Guide to Evil that the protagonist tends to repeat to herself whenever she does something morally reprehensible in the pursuit of her ambitions. Basically, 'don't pretend something horrible is justified, recognize you're a horrible person even if you're doing it for what you believe to be the right reasons
So we should recognise that Ash, Crow and the daughter were all horrible people?
Cause otherwise I don't know what he's saying here or how that applies to this debate.
 
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