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[X] [Value] No

Trading is working just fine for us. In fact, we're very well positioned for it with the trade route to the north we're looking at opening, and increased glass production.

Rather not gamble on a value while our current setup is serving us well.
 
[X] [Prog] Build Glassworks (-1 Econ, +2 Art, increased chance of new innovations)
[X] [Refugee] Those who arrive on their own (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
[X] [Value] Hathatyn
RE: law reform: KEEP OFF FOR NOW. Ask any law student and they will tell you that changing the law is an utter shitshow.
 
@Academia Nut How likely would it be that the People recognize the benefits of glassworks to deal with the new dye? As in, if we take Art Patronage now, would they be as careful with it as with Tailings?
 
DocMatoi said:
[X] [Prog] Build Glassworks (-1 Econ, +2 Art, increased chance of new innovations)
[X] [Refugee] Those who arrive on their own (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
[X] [Value] Hathatyn
RE: law reform: KEEP OFF FOR NOW. Ask any law student and they will tell you that changing the law is an utter shitshow.
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I hope to Crow that the Thread has learned it's lesson with the Tax and the Law and the Occupational decision now to take it slow for Heaven's sake and ask some dang questions of AN what our advisors think IC!

*looks at currently empty bottle*

*reaches into darkness, pulls out deep red bottle.*

*Opens it, grabs a lighter*

*applies lighter and starts drinking burning alcohol*
 
DakkaMania said:
What I meant id that the lawes concerning jurisdiction are adjusted so not everything is constantly carried to the King. And the Action itself would be like Restore Order. Fire and forget.
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The last time we pulled a law reform it dealt with taxes. We miraculously did not collapse as a civilization when we failed the reform due to a lack of literacy.
 
Abby Normal said:
@Academia Nut Is the art patronage necessary to get the Dye workers to integrate the new alchemy dyes/fixatives in their work, instead of competing against them? Cause at first i read the update as "no matter what, the new dye is used and awesome, choose what else you get to add on to it", but now i'm thinking the choice between "art patronage" and "glassworks" is more "convince the dye workers to use the new dye/fixatives, then smooze up with them and the miners to have a strong power base to be safe and hopefully push to be king" vs "help the weak glassworkers and try to build them up as a new strong counter to the potters, as well as split off a new dye guild for these new dyes, to counter the traditional dye guilds, to build up a weaker but more loyal and new power base to be safe and hopefully push to be king". Is that accurate?
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No, most of these will advance alchemy/dying in some way, just what gets pushed along hardest will vary. It also changes up the narrative.

Sivantic said:
@Academia Nut How likely would it be that the People recognize the benefits of glassworks to deal with the new dye? As in, if we take Art Patronage now, would they be as careful with it as with Tailings?
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They would be careful, but when dealing with acids glass is obviously a good idea.
 
Ya know what they say,
Nothing ventured, Nothing gained
The tax crisis was a high point for me (The super duper salty arguments not withstanding) cause it put pressure on us and it sharpened voter discipline (for a short time :( )
 
Ghostdevil said:
Honestly the tax crisis was more fun and beneficial than harmful
obviously this is only true for a handful of people since everyone seems to think it a frustrating venture of pure fail :p
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I was about a micrometer from dropping the quest at that point becuase of the sheer stupidity driving the arguments. Just...

Fuck.

Yes, it was exactly One Fuck. No more and no less.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Argument about BOATS is still topping my list of inane arguments over inconsequential things. :V
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That's because while Taxes is One Fuck, Boats is Ten Fuck as it is the stupidest thing I've seen yet.

I literally have a Fuck This is Stupid scale for this quest. The last argument where I used the Picard face palm a couple dozen pages back rated about Zero Point One Fuck.


Ghostdevil said:
Not for me, I feed on salt, and that day I was powerful, more powerful than any of you can possible imagine!!
:p
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Uhuh...
 
Academia Nut said:
No, most of these will advance alchemy/dying in some way, just what gets pushed along hardest will vary. It also changes up the narrative.
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Ooh, sweet, thats a pleasant surprise :) So either way Rulwyna will be building up her power base with everyone, just a slightly different focus?

Ghostdevil said:
We weren't even hurt that badly... like at all really
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Yeah, i mean, even failing the crisis got us 2 extra value slots, which at least as of a while ago was very rare (iirc AN said most civs have fewer spiritual values, a focus on honor values, and almost no one would have 3 of each) and definitely valuable, considering its what let us get observance and thus love of wisdom... and i think the library was gated behind observance too?
 
Wouldn't we be able to execute the tax reform to a more complicated system now that we grown up in social organization?
 
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